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Posted by vernonsdream on 12-13-2012 12:17 AM:

Eternal Security- can you lose your salvation?

What do you think?

Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 12-13-2012 12:29 AM:

I believe in eternal security.

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Posted by garminguru on 12-13-2012 12:43 AM:

I think the book of 2 Peter plainly illustrates what will happen if you drop out of the race!
What I do not understand is why would anyone want to take a chance on it?

Posted by vernonsdream on 12-13-2012 12:57 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by garminguru
I think the book of 2 Peter plainly illustrates what will happen if you drop out of the race!
What I do not understand is why would anyone want to take a chance on it?

Care to expand on that particular scripture and why you think that?

Posted by Riverbottom Ron on 12-13-2012 01:49 AM:

LOSING YOUR SALVATION

I HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PASTORS AND A COUPLE PREISTS,,THIS WAS MY QUESTION TO THEM ,,,IF A PERSON HAS ASKED GOD INTO THERE LIVES ,ACCEPTED JESUS AS THERE PERSONAL SAVIOR SERVED HIM FAITHFULLY BELIEVED THAT JESUS DIED FOR THERE SINS ,LIVED AND WORKED FOR HIM ,,,,THEN STARTED BACKSLIDING, DOING THINGS THEY OUGHT NOT NOT SERVING GOD LIKE BEFORE ,,,,WILL THESE PEOPLE LOSE THERE SALVATION AND NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN IF THEY DONT REPENT,,,,,,,THIS WAS 95 PERCENT OF PASTOR AND PREIESTS THERE ANSWER,,,,,,THEY WILL STILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN,ONCE YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE IT CAN NEVER BE ERASED FROM IT ,,HOW EVER THOSE PEOPLE WILL NOT GET AS GOOD A REWARDS AS THOSE THAT CONTINUED TO BE FAITHFUL AND LIVE FOR GOD THERE WHOLE LIFE ,,LIKE ONE PASTOR SAID THAT PERSON THAT BACKSLID WILL BE DRIVIN A GEO METRO OR A UGO AND THE ONE THAT DIDNT WILL BE DRIVIN A CADDY OR BMW AND THE BACKSLIDER WILL BE LIVIN IN A LITTLE APARTMAENT AND THE FAITHFUL PERSON WILL BE LIVIN IN A BIG CONDO THATS ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT ,,,, BUT THEY ALL DID SAY IF THEY JUST STARTED BLASEMING GOD AND NOT BELIEVING AND SAYIN GOD DONT EXIST AFTER THEY BACKSLIDE ,BLASIMING GOD IS THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR SALVATION AND NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN....I KNOW ,THAT I KNOW ,THAT I KNOW WHERE IM SPENDING ETERNITY WHAT ABOOUT YOU,,,HAVE A BLESSED ONE ,,,FROM THE RIVERBOTTOM,,,RON

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Posted by garminguru on 12-13-2012 02:45 AM:

Re: LOSING YOUR SALVATION

quote:
Originally posted by Riverbottom Ron
I HAVE ASKED THAT QUESTION TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT PASTORS AND A COUPLE PREISTS,,THIS WAS MY QUESTION TO THEM ,,,IF A PERSON HAS ASKED GOD INTO THERE LIVES ,ACCEPTED JESUS AS THERE PERSONAL SAVIOR SERVED HIM FAITHFULLY BELIEVED THAT JESUS DIED FOR THERE SINS ,LIVED AND WORKED FOR HIM ,,,,THEN STARTED BACKSLIDING, DOING THINGS THEY OUGHT NOT NOT SERVING GOD LIKE BEFORE ,,,,WILL THESE PEOPLE LOSE THERE SALVATION AND NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN IF THEY DONT REPENT,,,,,,,THIS WAS 95 PERCENT OF PASTOR AND PREIESTS THERE ANSWER,,,,,,THEY WILL STILL MAKE IT TO HEAVEN,ONCE YOUR NAME IS WRITTEN IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE IT CAN NEVER BE ERASED FROM IT ,,HOW EVER THOSE PEOPLE WILL NOT GET AS GOOD A REWARDS AS THOSE THAT CONTINUED TO BE FAITHFUL AND LIVE FOR GOD THERE WHOLE LIFE ,,LIKE ONE PASTOR SAID THAT PERSON THAT BACKSLID WILL BE DRIVIN A GEO METRO OR A UGO AND THE ONE THAT DIDNT WILL BE DRIVIN A CADDY OR BMW AND THE BACKSLIDER WILL BE LIVIN IN A LITTLE APARTMAENT AND THE FAITHFUL PERSON WILL BE LIVIN IN A BIG CONDO THATS ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT ,,,, BUT THEY ALL DID SAY IF THEY JUST STARTED BLASEMING GOD AND NOT BELIEVING AND SAYIN GOD DONT EXIST AFTER THEY BACKSLIDE ,BLASIMING GOD IS THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR SALVATION AND NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN....I KNOW ,THAT I KNOW ,THAT I KNOW WHERE IM SPENDING ETERNITY WHAT ABOOUT YOU,,,HAVE A BLESSED ONE ,,,FROM THE RIVERBOTTOM,,,RON

Your name is not written in the Lambs Book Of Life when you get saved, your name was written there before you were ever conceived. I believe that when you die in a lost condition, your name gets blotted out. Check it out in the book of Revelation.
This is just how I understand it.

Posted by garminguru on 12-13-2012 02:52 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by vernonsdream
Care to expand on that particular scripture and why you think that?

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Verse 20... The only way you can escape the pollutions of the world is to come to know Christ. This verse is plainly referring to the redeemed because if you are not redeemed, then you never escaped the pollutions of the world.
Verse 21 is self expanatory I would think.
Verse 22..... The sow as being the wicked man saved, then backsliding.

Posted by Riverbottom Ron on 12-13-2012 03:00 AM:

HI MR GARMINGURU

THERES SO MUCH IN THE BIBLE THAT I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND ,I ALWAYS ASK GOD TO LET ME UNDERSTAND ,SOMETIMES HE DOES SOMETIMES HE DOESNT ....THERES MANY THINGS THAT I THINK GOD DOESNT WANT US TO KNOW ...THERES LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THINGS DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS AND ENTURPRTES THE WORD DIFFERENTLY ..ONE DAY WHEN WE ALL GET TO HEAVEN MANY OF THOSE THINGS WE WONDERED AND THOUGHT ABOUT WILL BE ANSWERED ...HAVE A BLESSED ONE RON

Posted by garminguru on 12-13-2012 03:12 AM:

Re: HI MR GARMINGURU

quote:
Originally posted by Riverbottom Ron
THERES SO MUCH IN THE BIBLE THAT I JUST DONT UNDERSTAND ,I ALWAYS ASK GOD TO LET ME UNDERSTAND ,SOMETIMES HE DOES SOMETIMES HE DOESNT ....THERES MANY THINGS THAT I THINK GOD DOESNT WANT US TO KNOW ...THERES LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT UNDERSTAND THINGS DIFFERENT THAN OTHERS AND ENTURPRTES THE WORD DIFFERENTLY ..ONE DAY WHEN WE ALL GET TO HEAVEN MANY OF THOSE THINGS WE WONDERED AND THOUGHT ABOUT WILL BE ANSWERED ...HAVE A BLESSED ONE RON

Agreed!

Posted by skeets on 12-13-2012 05:34 AM:

sin does not conquer salvation. it aint about works, our righteous is filthy rags compared to christ.we trust in christ for our salvation and not ourselfs.we cant loose what we gave away,so i dont worry where iam going when i die, cause i gave my life to christ.

Posted by trackdriver on 12-13-2012 12:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by skeets
sin does not conquer salvation. it aint about works, our righteous is filthy rags compared to christ.we trust in christ for our salvation and not ourselfs.we cant loose what we gave away,so i dont worry where iam going when i die, cause i gave my life to christ.

It ain't about works? How can you proclaim something you're not willing to work for? That why is so easy to slander the pres.and proclaim to be a christian,because i'm saved thereforth i can live anyway i wanna. Hard being a christian but easy being a hypocrite!! NOT DIRECTED AT YOU SKEET, JUST VENTING. Lot of things I don't understand but I know when i'm wrong so there is no mystery about doing what's right,just excuses!! I think God giving sense plays a role in everyday life.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 12-13-2012 12:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
It ain't about works? How can you proclaim something you're not willing to work for?

Jesus Christ done the work and paid the ulitmate price for our sins. There is no way to work your way into heaven. We can never be good enough in our own selves to make it . Sin has a price. The wages of sin is death. We sin. We die. Jesus Christ is the only way. As far as loseing our salvation. The bible says nothing can pluck us from the hand of God. How could we lose something that we didn't have anything to do with getting ? We didn't save ourselves so how could we unsave ourselves ?

Posted by trackdriver on 12-13-2012 01:41 PM:

So you're saying there no work envolved in saving your soul? Maybe i'm missing the point.

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 12-13-2012 03:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
So you're saying there no work envolved in saving your soul? Maybe i'm missing the point.

The work is done. The price is paid. The veil of the temple is torn in two. When Jesus died, he said " it is finished". He didn't say. I am finished. He said. IT is finished. What is "it" ? The price for sin ! Our salvation ! GLORY TO GOD ! If any man be in Christ he is a "new creature". Old things are passed away and behold all things are become new. When don't have a spirit of fear but the SPirit of Adoption ! Whereby we cry Abba Father !

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 12-13-2012 03:11 PM:

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Posted by trackdriver on 12-13-2012 03:57 PM:

Faith without work is ........what?

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Posted by Barry Franklin on 12-13-2012 04:25 PM:

Re: Eternal Security- can you lose your salvation?

quote:
Originally posted by vernonsdream
What do you think?

Depends on whether you "believe" the Bible or not. Jewish salvation- faith and works, Gentile salvation- Faith plus nothing. The book of Galatians explains the prior statement, mixing Law and grace. Romans 8:35-39 It' all about "rightly dividing the word of truth." Just putting scripture in it's proper context is all it takes. Just take God at his word, not man.

Posted by vernonsdream on 12-13-2012 04:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
Faith without work is ........what?

Saving grace. Why do you think Jesus never mentioned works to the woman at the well? He told her all she had to do was take a drink from the well, ONLY ONCE. And she would have eternal life. If Jesus only had a few minutes to tell this woman how to be saved why did he not mention works? Because they aren't necessary for salvation and to say so is completely unbiblical. Works aren't a requirement for salvation. Not even close.

Posted by trackdriver on 12-13-2012 05:25 PM:

So we can live anyway we wanna and be saved? The book of james 2:26?

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 12-13-2012 06:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
So we can live anyway we wanna and be saved? The book of james 2:26?

If your saved, and the Holy Spirit is in you, then you will show the fruits of the spirit.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 12-13-2012 06:04 PM:

But thats surely not saying you will never make a mistake. God makes things simple. Its man that complicates it.

Posted by vernonsdream on 12-13-2012 06:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
So we can live anyway we wanna and be saved? The book of james 2:26?

Let me ask you a question. What about John 3:16? Romans 3:28? Galatians 2;16? if you would read James and not google verses to try and disprove faith alone you will find your answers. What about the their who was saved on the cross at Calvary? Jesus said he would receive eternal life. Yet, how could he do works when he died shortly after? Did Jesus lie to him? Just curious how you see those verses

Posted by trackdriver on 12-13-2012 06:59 PM:

Ok,but i'll keep working.Thanks

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Posted by vernonsdream on 12-13-2012 07:06 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by trackdriver
So the book of james isn't relavant?

Answer my questions above and when I get out of work I will explain my take on James

Posted by trackdriver on 12-13-2012 07:11 PM:

Thanks vern.for being civil!! Did read james.

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