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Posted by Billy Beckham on 12-12-2012 12:34 AM:

Lets discuss this

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Posted by gdjr on 12-12-2012 12:40 AM:

The problem

The real problem isn't the statement it's actually how u perceive the statement. And that goes for most discussions on here!

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Posted by LIL-E on 12-12-2012 01:36 AM:

Re: Lets discuss this

quote:
Originally posted by Billy Beckham
I'm not at home so I dont have the rules or a scorecard handy

does the " If dog is working without the cast, scratch him, withdraw him, or move to a place between the 4 dogs where you can hear them all like the card says." mean that the super independant loners get scratched.

?????

I have really never seen a loner get scratched but have seen them kick much booty.

Posted by jculler8 on 12-12-2012 03:06 AM:

Re: Lets discuss this

quote:
Originally posted by Billy Beckham
I'm not at home so I dont have the rules or a scorecard handy

does the " If dog is working without the cast, scratch him, withdraw him, or move to a place between the 4 dogs where you can hear them all like the card says." mean that the super independant loners get scratched.

?????

Rule 7* there's a star there for a reason... If you remember the rules were a little different when big de won it in 2009 compared to now. Sorry my mistake, and yes the rules were changed due to the "loner" and I do hunt a loner myself, so now ya got something to talk about!

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 12-12-2012 03:26 AM:

If loners are getting scratched then I feel sorry for the hound and handler. If my hound got by itself on a few coon I would love for someone to attempt to scratch me.

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Posted by BRANDON KING on 12-12-2012 04:17 AM:

Havent seen a new rule book but you missed a part that was there everyone else would have to tree 2 singles to claim a dog is working against the cast. This being said this is why you dont see dogs get scratched for it. If i tree two coons on you i dont care what your dog does you are beat..

Posted by porky lee on 12-12-2012 04:19 AM:

You got to use a little common sence along with the rules, as well as sportsman like conduct.Lets be honest look hard enough and good enough you can minus or scratch them all.The problem in todays hunts is more handlers trying to win instead of letting the hound win. jmo

Posted by steve pickett on 12-12-2012 01:11 PM:

LONER

NO LONERS SHOULD NOT BE SCRATCHED BUT I HAVE SEEN SOME DOGS GET WAYOUT OF POCKET AND HOLD UP THE CAST WITHOUT BARKING OR OUT OF HEARING,DOGS CAN BE LONERS BUT SHOULD NOT LEAVE COMPLETLY OUT OF AREA.JMO
I HUNT WITH A GUY THAT HAS DOGS JUST BEEE-LINE IN ONE DIRECTION AND WILL PASS UP GOOD HUNTING TIMBER JUST TO GET BY THEMSELVES,NOT WHAT I CALL A GOOD HUNTING DOG JUST WHAT I CALL A WEEKEND NT.HUNT DOG..NOT ANY PLEASURE TO HUNT WITH.
I ALSO HUNT WITH A GUY THAT HAS A VERY INDEPENDENT DOG THAT HUNTS WITH OTHER DOGS THAT IS VERY ACCURATE AND WILL SPLIT TREE TO HAVE THE COON IF THE OTHERS MISS THE COON THAT IS MY IDEA OF BEING A LONER ALSO AND IS A PLEASURE TO HUNT,HE CAN GET BY HIMSELF ALSO BUT DOESN'T GET OUT OF POCKET.JUST MY WAY OF THINKING ..

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Posted by JiM on 12-12-2012 02:16 PM:

Re: Re: Lets discuss this

quote:
Originally posted by jculler8
Rule 7* there's a star there for a reason...

Rule 7 doesn't offer any kind of provision for scratching a dog, nothing spelled out or even implied.

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Posted by headless01 on 12-12-2012 06:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by porky lee
You got to use a little common sence along with the rules, as well as sportsman like conduct.Lets be honest look hard enough and good enough you can minus or scratch them all.The problem in todays hunts is more handlers trying to win instead of letting the hound win. jmo

ther ya go, ole slick ain't concerned with '' common sense or sportsmanship'' at no time.

Posted by jabrown on 12-12-2012 06:55 PM:

How does anyone get "scratchable offense" out of rule 7? All it does, or ever did, was open up the strike points for a dog that wasn't standing on his head.

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Posted by jculler8 on 12-12-2012 10:01 PM:

Regardless of what you all say or think, I believe you all took my "quote" from another post out of context. My argument falls along the lines of what Steve Pickett said. You can ALL call me ole slick or whatever you want. I as well as Billy did not have the rules in front of us as we posted, so does that make me or Billy less of a person? If you are that concerned with it, simply flip the card over in the woods and show/explain the ruling. Don't we all have access to the card in the woods? Point taken?

So, until you've drawn me (old slicky) count on your fingers and toes how many times I've screwed or even better yet, scratched someone because I can count them on 2 fingers and both circumstances were more than scratch able offenses. If you'd like to hear about them, shoot me a PM!

So who's "ole slicky" now? Hah.

Glad you have had fun with someone who is always on here trying to HELP others understand and interpret rules, I made a mistake!

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 12-13-2012 06:18 PM:

Re: Re: Lets discuss this

quote:
Originally posted by LIL-E
I have really never seen a loner get scratched but have seen them kick much booty.

sounds like a hunt wise dog to me.you can win all the cast you
want but you have to have a 1st along the way.

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Posted by gdjr on 12-13-2012 06:34 PM:

joe

Seems to me that most guys on here are looking for somebody or something to attack! Its usually the attacker that lacks the intelligence. Joe is a real nice guy and made a legit mistake and now it turns into a post about what a slick guy he is. Well thats not the case and all of you know it all UKC heroes need to get off the guys back! Sad thing about the majority of these Know It Alls is they only go to 2 or 3 hunts a year and they cry about cheaters when they do go and most generally they didnt get cheated they just didnt know the rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by JiM on 12-13-2012 06:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by jculler8
Regardless of what you all say or think, I believe you all took my "quote" from another post out of context. My argument falls along the lines of what Steve Pickett said. You can ALL call me ole slick or whatever you want. I as well as Billy did not have the rules in front of us as we posted, so does that make me or Billy less of a person? If you are that concerned with it, simply flip the card over in the woods and show/explain the ruling. Don't we all have access to the card in the woods? Point taken?

So, until you've drawn me (old slicky) count on your fingers and toes how many times I've screwed or even better yet, scratched someone because I can count them on 2 fingers and both circumstances were more than scratch able offenses. If you'd like to hear about them, shoot me a PM!

So who's "ole slicky" now? Hah.

Glad you have had fun with someone who is always on here trying to HELP others understand and interpret rules, I made a mistake!

Oh come on..... talk about thin skinned......
You made a comment that left more than a few scratching their heads. I've read enough of your stuff to know you couldn't think hunting alone was a scratchable offense but it seemed to read that way. As for attacking you, calling you a slick handler or even inferring such, I sure don't think I or jabrown ever did. Get a grip.

Posted by jculler8 on 12-13-2012 08:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Oh come on..... talk about thin skinned......
You made a comment that left more than a few scratching their heads. I've read enough of your stuff to know you couldn't think hunting alone was a scratchable offense but it seemed to read that way. As for attacking you, calling you a slick handler or even inferring such, I sure don't think I or jabrown ever did. Get a grip.

If you did any reading at all behind those little glasses of yours, you'd quickly SEE I never mentioned either of your names or even referenced either of your posts. THICK SKIN ROCKS!

....and before you go milling through my posts again, I will be sure to let you know that "you all" was intended to mean that you, Jim, or anyone else who reads it, can call me whatever you like, whether ya said it before on here or not, I don't care!

Posted by porky lee on 12-14-2012 10:54 PM:

If i offended you im sorry, i dont know you .I have been comp hunting for years in nc ,and was referring to my ex.

Posted by HuckFinn on 12-15-2012 12:14 AM:

Well, I have no experience but from what I read, winning depends on how well you argue and how well you handle. Are we really out to discover which dog is best? The comp dogs I've hunted with babbled like lunatics, treed ghosts and, worst of all, sounded like yard dogs on halloween.

However, the pups I've bought from Tim Ball were out of comp lines and were all real good.

Posted by porky lee on 12-15-2012 12:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by HuckFinn
Well, I have no experience but from what I read, winning depends on how well you argue and how well you handle. Are we really out to discover which dog is best? The comp dogs I've hunted with babbled like lunatics, treed ghosts and, worst of all, sounded like yard dogs on halloween.

However, the pups I've bought from Tim Ball were out of comp lines and were all real good.

You havent hunted with the right comp dogs,i have hunted with some nice ones

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