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Lack of consistance

Does anyone have a dog that can consistantly get treed with a coon 90% of the time regardless of conditions?

90 percent accurate in any conditions

I don't think their is any such dog.

Consistancy

It is very unfortunate and dissapointing because they used to be around. I'm still trying to find something suitable, but loosing patience.

Best you'll find these days are in the 60% range unless you talk to one of these guys that have one that's 95% off feeder buckets

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consistancy

I wish I knew what the problem is so I could attempt to fix it. I'm suspecting a lack of nose.

I believe the problem is, is that guys have bred dogs to be pkc tree dogs. You can win them hunts with minus points. Everybody cares more about the dollar than the coon anymore. Pelts ain't worth ****, so why not build a line of tree grabbers and win money with slicks? It's stupid, but the name of the game these days. Best shot you got anymore is to find an old man with two country coon dogs and get a pup off him/her. Papers don't tree coon, Idc how many grand nights are on the paper

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That is the only kind of dog I will follow. I have three hounds that when they tree the coon will be there. The female I have has been over three years sense last lick tree. The males are the same way. I can not stand a slick tree dog. I can walk around and look at trees anytime I don't need a dog to show them to me. People just keep breeding slick tree dogs to slick tree dog. If anyone don't believe me come up and hunt the coon will be in the tree. Slick treeing is a lack of effort and brains. Do you think you could keep your job doing a half a** job every day. So when getting a pup make sure the parents both tree real coon and put the slick tree breeders out of business.

for anyone that thinks its not out there want cost you nothing but a trip to london ky it is here in my kennel for your inspection any night i wii guarantee it will not be on feeder buckets his name is grntch buck fork dollar for anyone that doubts put your money where your mouth is bring your 22 and your light we will let him speak for himself and it won't be one tree in a nights time. hunted last night 3 singles in less than an hour. not bragging i know what he can do plus i am willing to show you so don't say it can't be done come see for yourself i live at 580 smith brewer rd london ky 606 344 3410 if you want to see come take as hunt the leaves are off . hunted all last winter 10 degrees some nights treed 31 in a row not counting dens which were very few and all in the wild no feeder buckets.

I'm not saying there are no coon dogs left. They're just extremely few and far between. Back in the 80's and 90's walkers were real coon dogs. Tree coon and only coon every tree. The problem with a majority of our favorite breed is breeding your favorite pr **** eater with an all grand pedigree to a coon dog and expecting to have the next hickory nut Harry. If you got a great dog good for you, you're one of the lucky few. Trust me, I love coon hunting, I live for it. But the accuracy just ain't bred like it used to be.

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dogs seem to be really close to the same too me as they were when i started huntin, what i see around here is hunters arent as consistant as they used to be all summer long i dont see anyone huntin but as soon as season hits there are people everywhere it makes it hard to have a consistant hound when they lay up 3/4 of the yr that is just my opinion but then again i dont no a whole lot

Belly up you hit the nail on the head !!! I'm like you, I hunt year round regardless how hot, cold or miserable out ! On those hot summer nights I head for state ground because the " coon hunters" will be at the house in the AC. Myself and Matt Bebout went out last kill season on the weekend we had snow wind and bitter cold and the old hound I'm packing did a HELL of a job and put 6 of the nicest coon you ever saw up the wood & we never saw a dog box or herd another hound.

You are not going to have a consistent hound if you don't keep them hunted up. There are a few but not many hounds that if taken to the woods two times a year will tree you coons all night long. Look at duck dogs them duck hunters train year round to keep the retrivers fresh. Race horses, they run them all year round and don't expect to take them off the feed bag and go win the Derby.

The old timers tell me of the day when a coon brought 35 and 50 dollars and the promise of a nice payday at the end of the night kept them boys in the timber. I don't think the hounds are different the hunters are ....


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Originally posted by llam
I believe the problem is, is that guys have bred dogs to be pkc tree dogs. You can win them hunts with minus points. Everybody cares more about the dollar than the coon anymore. Pelts ain't worth ****, so why not build a line of tree grabbers and win money with slicks? It's stupid, but the name of the game these days. Best shot you got anymore is to find an old man with two country coon dogs and get a pup off him/her. Papers don't tree coon, Idc how many grand nights are on the paper

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Originally posted by belly up
dogs seem to be really close to the same too me as they were when i started huntin, what i see around here is hunters arent as consistant as they used to be all summer long i dont see anyone huntin but as soon as season hits there are people everywhere it makes it hard to have a consistant hound when they lay up 3/4 of the yr that is just my opinion but then again i dont no a whole lot

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Originally posted by llam
I believe the problem is, is that guys have bred dogs to be pkc tree dogs. You can win them hunts with minus points. Everybody cares more about the dollar than the coon anymore. Pelts ain't worth ****, so why not build a line of tree grabbers and win money with slicks? It's stupid, but the name of the game these days. Best shot you got anymore is to find an old man with two country coon dogs and get a pup off him/her. Papers don't tree coon, Idc how many grand nights are on the paper

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I know what kind of dogs make it to the final cast buddy. This thread is about consistantcy. And it has been bred out of most lines. Not every dog in pkc is a slick treeing retard, that's not how I meant it.

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I think the biggest reason for slick treeing idiots is that everybody has been breeding for a belly up slober mouth tree dog. Thats fine but what have most folks left out of the gene pool... One of the most important parts to a coon hound... NOSE power. Now im not saying I want a hound to work a feed track from last week. But I want a hound that has the NOSE to lead him to the correct tree.

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I want a dog That can tree coons hands down I don't like walking too Just be doing it they are nice dogs in ukc and pkc too I have hunt them both I got a 2 year old male here That the best dog I have walked behind if u turn him lose he leave u on a run snow whatever When this dog Parks under and tree he will have him yes he will miss but don't make a habbit of it he wins in the hunts being alone with a coon I will show him too in body I have been around alot dogs and coma and cutter dogs are the best too family of dogs for What I like

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Originally posted by razor345
That is the only kind of dog I will follow. I have three hounds that when they tree the coon will be there. The female I have has been over three years sense last lick tree. The males are the same way. I can not stand a slick tree dog. I can walk around and look at trees anytime I don't need a dog to show them to me. People just keep breeding slick tree dogs to slick tree dog. If anyone don't believe me come up and hunt the coon will be in the tree. Slick treeing is a lack of effort and brains. Do you think you could keep your job doing a half a** job every day. So when getting a pup make sure the parents both tree real coon and put the slick tree breeders out of business.

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didn't say mine was 100 percent but is 90 year round and i don't live in thick coon a dog has to hunt pretty hard to find coons here i have owned some nice dogs that has done a lot of winning in someone else's hand and most of them were 60 to 70 percent 90 is hard to find but it is out there.

A good coon hound that trees real coon can be layed up for months and then hunted and it should go right back to treeing real coon. The problem is people make up to many excuses about there dogs and keep breeding and campaigning junk. This is the truth a lot of people don't want to here it but year ago most walker was junk because they would run track and but was not much of a tree dog or wouldn't tree. But now they are junk because they just tree on anything. Before they are done they will have the walkers ruined. I use to go to a lot of the hunts won a lot of hunts but its not worth it to me to put up with the lieing and cheating. If you want to get rid of the slick treeing get rid of the sackett blood. I know this will stir up stuff but I have live here in Michigan my hole life and seen all of that I need to see. I seen how they were made and hole nine yards of that operation. They make good tree dogs but if you want to see coon you might as well hunt a collie. There is the odd one but most are inconsistent run track all night because they have been beat and shocked so many times for slick treeing or they just tree every 15 mins. Titles and hunt wins don't mean that much to me anymore. Go hunt with the dogs and see for your self what they are. Go hunt with the big name dogs and listen to the excuses he has never done this before.

Said it over and over but if dogs had to hunt one cast alone and tree a coon by its self in Ukc or pkc it would cut down on the hitch hikers. Too many handlers brag about winning with any thing they carry that's what's wrong with dogs today.im not saying all are like that but you hear it a lot.

pointing fingers at sackett jr or rat attack is defanatly not the issue numbers dont lie

What numbers fake titles and dogs winning three to four dog hunts when the owner owns all the dogs and handling one. Them are real numbers. Six to eight year old dogs still trying to finish them 200 hunts later nite ch. If I was you keep following the numbers. Most people are just keeping dog food companys in business. I have seen more of the breeding than most and laughed everytime someone else owned one.

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What numbers fake titles and dogs winning three to four dog hunts when the owner owns all the dogs and handling one. Them are real numbers. Six to eight year old dogs still trying to finish them 200 hunts later nite ch. If I was you keep following the numbers. Most people are just keeping dog food companys in business. I have seen more of the breeding than most and laughed everytime someone else owned one.

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Couldn't agree more. For every one coon hound you run into in the hunts, you're in 50 casts with hitch hiking yard shitters, or paper champions. I'd love to see these 90% dogs brought to my back yard too, and I live in thick coon. Dogs today are 90% tree power, 10% nose power, with very few exceptions of the lucky ones that have outstanding dogs all of us would love to walk behind

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