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Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 11-10-2012 03:51 AM:

Breeding Question?

I'm curious on the success people have had on making a half brother/half sister cross?

As well as a Uncle/Niece cross?

Thanks!!

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Posted by slobbermouth21 on 11-10-2012 04:44 AM:

Rat attacks dam night heat Dixie was a half brother half sister cross both dogs sir was hardwood bozo but I forgot what two dogs made Dixie. I owned a dog named hammering hank Jr out of a brother sister cross sir was hammering hank out of earl and dam was something little queen or something queen out of earl can't find the papers to look at them but it was a half brother half sister cross made a **** good dog still miss him

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Posted by Travis Brown on 11-10-2012 05:21 AM:

I have personally had better luck with the half brother/half sister cross.

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 11-10-2012 05:26 AM:

I got a litter now that's half bro/sis cross just pups they are all healthy they seem to be really active and I mean more active than normal for pups there age The last cross on the dam to them was uncle niece cross every pup from the litter have made coon treers and this litter seems to be a little more active but time will tell

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Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 11-10-2012 05:33 AM:

My buddy is planning on making a half brother/half sister cross, both share the same sire. I suggested he make the cross but he was afraid their breeding may be to close!!!

Down the road if everything works out I'm planning on making a Uncle/Niece cross, it's a ways from happening but just wanted to get opinions and info from people who have made these type of crosses before.

Posted by slobbermouth21 on 11-10-2012 05:36 AM:

As long as the sir and dam don't have heavy faults it shouldn't hurt

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Posted by blackflagginit on 11-10-2012 05:44 AM:

ive had good and bad results w all the above........even made a full brother sister cross once (same parents/different litters)

inbreeding and linebreeding can only expose whats there anyway. it gets a bad rap sometimes because some of that is hidden and would have stayed hidden if not crossed close.........but it cant invent new. mutations (that CAN invent new traits) are just as likely to pop up in total outcrosses as full out inbreeding.....

i will note however that sometimes those mutations are hidden for generations and never seen till inbreeding occurs...if there resessive as most mutations are......good or bad.

Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 11-10-2012 06:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by blackflagginit
ive had good and bad results w all the above........even made a full brother sister cross once (same parents/different litters)

Just curious how did that work out?

Posted by Melanie H. on 11-10-2012 06:38 AM:

I've made the same half brother/sister cross twice and had planned on doing it a third time but had to have the female fixed.. Loved the pups out of both litters and had people in line for the third...

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Posted by blackflagginit on 11-12-2012 05:39 PM:

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Originally posted by KyKoonHunter32
Just curious how did that work out?

exactly how i thought it would

we had some realy nice pups, and some that werent going to make the grade......

sadly, like almost all the pups from that sire,,,,,,,,,,most ended up getting hit on the hiway before they ever finished training..

I know where 2 still are out of 8, and would buy one male in a heartbeat if i was still hunting or breeding.

Posted by thedirtyrat on 11-13-2012 02:10 AM:

Breeding to close will result in smokey coloration (grey) in the tan areas of walker dogs. Not allways but sometimes.

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Posted by HuckFinn on 11-13-2012 04:40 AM:

I will give you my opinion in a few months. Got a pup that is double grandson to Big Dollar Red. Red made it to the world hunt this year at age nine. I've heard some really good hounds come out of half-siblings.

Posted by Larry Atherton on 11-13-2012 03:08 PM:

I have seen good results with both, but I should also qualify that statement with some more information.

Those crosses that resulted in desired offspring were made on good selection of specific traits towards a specific goal.

Never line breed just for the sake of the pedigree.

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Posted by toe cutter on 11-14-2012 05:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Atherton
Those crosses that resulted in desired offspring were made on good selection of specific traits towards a specific goal.

Never line breed just for the sake of the pedigree.

X 100
never make any cross just because of the pedigree.

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Posted by Whordel on 11-15-2012 10:21 AM:

Thanks Tubz for asking this question.I'm just wondering because I just cant really find anything that satisfies me to breed to Daisy.I've hunted with alot of nice dogs,call me picky if you want,they just have imperfections that I just dont want in my line.Im going to breed Jakey to Daisy as soon as she comes in heat.Hopefully the cross will pay off.

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Posted by Cynthia on 11-15-2012 02:39 PM:

dont want to high jack, but since the discussion is about relavtive breeding. what are opinions on grandmother/grandson??? grandson is out of son of grandmother

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Posted by Cynthia on 11-16-2012 06:36 PM:

nobody?

Posted by slobbermouth21 on 11-16-2012 06:40 PM:

You can dog that then.if pups turn out excilent dogs cross one over to a half aunt or half uncle to outcross withen the same family just.be very selective.

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Posted by wvcoonhunters3 on 11-16-2012 11:15 PM:

check out bone collectors dad----- gch medleys hardwood homer

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Posted by toe cutter on 11-17-2012 02:50 AM:

if 2 dogs have the traits i want it don't matter what thier relationship is.
if you breed related dogs and get idiots its not because the parents were "too close" its because one or both of the parents are idiots too.

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Posted by Autumn Clements on 11-20-2012 01:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cynthia
dont want to high jack, but since the discussion is about relavtive breeding. what are opinions on grandmother/grandson??? grandson is out of son of grandmother

I made this type of cross this spring, they are just going to be turning 6 months old so still be sometime yet but so far I like them. There is 2 of the 4 that are already starting.

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