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Best way to brake a hound of treeing grinners!

Got a stubborn hound who needs broke off possumes! Looking for ideas!

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If a dog thinks he will die for trailing , treeing or thinking about grinners ... he won't mess with them.

How you get that point across , how consistant you are and if you let a dog fool you while you're at the truck and he's bumping them or locating on them and moving on ... is all up to you and nobody can help you with that ...

When he trees one **** it out and beat the breaks off if him with it. I'm talking like you ain't ever beat him in his life.

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I could never see the point in shooting out (rewarding) a grinner, and then beating the dog with it...just seems like you'd be doing more "confusing" than "correcting". Actually know someone who beat their dog so badly in the head with one that permanently damaged the dog with seizures.....just saying there are other ways, if you have a dog with a brain he'll learn to leave em alone. And you won't be wearing yourself out slinging a nasty ol possum around.

We use tri tronics personally but i guess its all in your preference & experience with training methods....

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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
If a dog thinks he will die for trailing , treeing or thinking about grinners ... he won't mess with them.

How you get that point across , how consistant you are and if you let a dog fool you while you're at the truck and he's bumping them or locating on them and moving on ... is all up to you and nobody can help you with that ...

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If he is real hard headed, you can do like a friend of mine. After disiplining him, lead him way off the tree. Go back and shoot the possum. After a while, no more possums on your hunting grounds. Problem solved till you hunt somewhere else.

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Originally posted by Geminite
I could never see the point in shooting out (rewarding) a grinner, and then beating the dog with it...just seems like you'd be doing more "confusing" than "correcting". Actually know someone who beat their dog so badly in the head with one that permanently damaged the dog with seizures.....just saying there are other ways, if you have a dog with a brain he'll learn to leave em alone. And you won't be wearing yourself out slinging a nasty ol possum around.

We use tri tronics personally but i guess its all in your preference & experience with training methods....

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"dogs don't put stock in men's words,they pay attention to your actions". Well said so do children. I have three of my own. Have not had any possum problems in months but two nights ago he put one in a whole at the base of a tree and he excavated up to his hips. Pulled him out and saw a slick tail and some gray fur. I let him go back in and pushed the button till he backed out. Didn't want much to do with it after that.

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always herd wicks stylish banjo was a great opossum dog till wick got a hold of m imo all will tree one every now and then its the end result is the impression they will leave with

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Take and shoot it out to him , let him have his way with it then light him up with the shocker , when he's done scold him , not beat him , just a good scolding, that's always worked for me .

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I am a firm believer that once that dog trees that possum, the damage is DONE! You can't un-sink a ship, and you can't "un-tree" a possum.

The answer lies in possum "avoidance". This is done in the daytime, in the yard.....teaching the dog that the possum is not a game of choice, not a game at all, and is actually a game to be avoided at all costs.

Now how you convince the dog of that is going to depend on the dog's temperament. Personally I use a possum in a live trap, a hundred foot check cord, and a tried and true electric collar. I only apply enough correction to convince the dog that whatever is in the cage is off limits....

In about 15 minutes, I can get most dogs to the point that they will not even look the same direction as the possum..because I've been giving them just enough stimulation with the collar to make them look away from it each and every time they have looked at, barked at, tried to see, come in contact with, get downwind of to smell....have ANY contact with the possum...... In a half hour, I have them making a hundred foot circle (the length of my check cord) around the possum.

Never had this method fail.....

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Originally posted by Geminite
I could never see the point in shooting out (rewarding) a grinner, and then beating the dog with it...just seems like you'd be doing more "confusing" than "correcting". Actually know someone who beat their dog so badly in the head with one that permanently damaged the dog with seizures.....just saying there are other ways, if you have a dog with a brain he'll learn to leave em alone. And you won't be wearing yourself out slinging a nasty ol possum around.

We use tri tronics personally but i guess its all in your preference & experience with training methods....

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I treed one last night. I have had dogs that when in the early training stages would tree one. I would slightly scold them and maybe pull their ear a little. Futher into the training, I increased the discpline. Once the dog is at the training stage that I notice nervousness, break in treeing and or cowarding when approaching a tree that has a possum but not those things approaching a tree with a coon, that is when they get to full explaination as to why you don't want to tree a possum. I feel at that point they know they are doing wrong when treeing a possum. That usally soloves the problem.
That being said! I am hunting one that I have given that explanation SEVERAL TIMES! Along with ever other thing that has been suggested so far. So I am reading with great intrest to see if there is a method that I had heard of.

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Electric fence charger, hang possum in live trap so it doesn't ground out or shock the possum, let the dog at him. Put a 20 mile charger on 10 feet of wire and a live trap, that dog will just come lay down at your feet when he smells one.

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Old man told me once to trap one and put it in the lot with the dog......said everytime that dog goes to grab it to light him on fire with the tritronics, said after about a day of that, that the possum will rule the roost in that lot and that dog wont go anywhere near it.....never tried, never had a bad problem with it but just what i was told, reckon everybody tries something diffrent! Good luck!!

If you have to shoot it

If you are one who insists on shooting the possum out.... you may want to try this. But you have to be consistant. Let the dog make up his mind that possums Suck !!!!

Tie dog back - Knock possum out - Soak it in ammonia - turn dog loose. If your dog is firing on all cylinders it wont take but one maybe two for the knuckle head to figure out that it is the last possum he wants to put in his mouth. Just my 2 cents worth, I was suprised it wasn't already posted. Maybe just an ol timers trick before shockers, I don't know but we have used it and seen positive results.

i have watched my brother break dogs off possums an the way he does it is the way his granpa taugt him if he has a dog that trees a possum one nite he has us to take the dog to the truck he then shoots the possum out when we get home he will put tie the possum to the dogs collar an then feed time the first day or two the dog will not pay the possum no mind but about that 3rd day when the possum starts to decay an its feed time the dog can not even eat because of the smell he will be gagn an thrown up just like we do lol during this process he will not hunt the dog when the process is threw he carrys the dog hunting again an never see another possum i have seen him do this several times an it works every time

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Re: If you have to shoot it

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Originally posted by hilbily
If you are one who insists on shooting the possum out.... you may want to try this. But you have to be consistant. Let the dog make up his mind that possums Suck !!!!

Tie dog back - Knock possum out - Soak it in ammonia - turn dog loose. If your dog is firing on all cylinders it wont take but one maybe two for the knuckle head to figure out that it is the last possum he wants to put in his mouth. Just my 2 cents worth, I was suprised it wasn't already posted. Maybe just an ol timers trick before shockers, I don't know but we have used it and seen positive results.

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1. Hunt them with a real coon dog
2. Hunt them with the dog on the thread (fighting dog)
3. Shock collar
4. Just lead them away with no praise
5. Take and shoot that possum out dead. Take that possum and wear that dog out with with it until that possum comes apart. That WILL do it.
6. Lastly you could just hunt him with some deer runners and get him chasing fast game....that way you will think Treeing a possum ain't too bad

i have never had much luck beating a dog shocking a dog for treeing grinners with out setting back that dog in some way no matter how powerful tree dog he may be. what i do now is catch a possum in live trap put it in the kennel with dog and fortget it except to feed and water it. the most stubborn dog on possums i ever had ,this worked might take a while but its worth it.

A shock collar is the greatest tool ever created for training a hound. If you see a possum in the tree and no coon, buzz him and lead him away, and make sure you praise the hell out of him when he trees a coon. Animals like humans react more quickly to positive re-enforcement than punishment.

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kill the possum cut its stomach open put it over the dogs head until it aimost passes out its messy but works

Strap it to his collar for about 4 days. I no this works.