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Breaking the 15 minutes?

How long do they have to stay gone? What breaks it?

If mine stays around even long enough to get the fifteen put on them they are getting withdrawn and going home. It would only take a time or two of that B.S. and they aren't gonna live at my house anymore.

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That's not the case here. Seen it happen about a month ago and the handler withdrew before the 15. Was just wondering because only seen it that one time in a little over 20 years of hunting hounds.

This is one of those rules where you better know the difference between UKC's rule and PKC's because breaking the 15 is completely different between the two. In UKC, the 15 is broke as soon as the dog leaves the cast. If you are running the 15 on a dog and it walks away from the cast, the 15 is broke. If it comes right back, you restart the 15.

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Originally posted by JiM
This is one of those rules where you better know the difference between UKC's rule and PKC's because breaking the 15 is completely different between the two. In UKC, the 15 is broke as soon as the dog leaves the cast. If you are running the 15 on a dog and it walks away from the cast, the 15 is broke. If it comes right back, you restart the 15.

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15 minute rule is useless the way it is interpreted in UKC. As long as the dog isn't dead it will break the 15 in UKC.

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Originally posted by Virgil
15 minute rule is useless the way it is interpreted in UKC. As long as the dog isn't dead it will break the 15 in UKC.

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Maybe this is why you see so many that won't hunt these days, they can get away with it without being scratched

Pkc they have to be gone out of Sight 5 min or get struck

If my dogs are gone for 15, I would probably scratch. They are more than likely in the next county!!!!

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Originally posted by ONEDOGNIGHT
Kind of what I was thinking. The dog I am getting at treed them like nothing to it on a previous cast. She treed coon on the way to the other dogs treed and won with a good score.

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Originally posted by shuss
And thats a bad thing?

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Originally posted by ONEDOGNIGHT
Not if you like it I don't guess but this one seem to have to be in some coon to get it done.

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15 minute rule what is that ur tellin me there's hounds that wont go huntin WHAT'S THE WORLD COMING TO i hope yall could sense my sarcasim lol

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Originally posted by JiM
This is one of those rules where you better know the difference between UKC's rule and PKC's because breaking the 15 is completely different between the two. In UKC, the 15 is broke as soon as the dog leaves the cast. If you are running the 15 on a dog and it walks away from the cast, the 15 is broke. If it comes right back, you restart the 15.

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Well I tried to find the thread where Allen addressed it but I'm sure he said the 5 is broke anytime the dog leaves the judges sight.

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Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
i thought they all had to be in coons to get it done.i dont know

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Originally posted by JiM
Well I tried to find the thread where Allen addressed it but I'm sure he said the 5 is broke anytime the dog leaves the judges sight.

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Originally posted by JiM
Well I tried to find the thread where Allen addressed it but I'm sure he said the 5 is broke anytime the dog leaves the judges sight.

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Copied from a post by Allen in 2011

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Originally posted by Lost mtn
The new rule I like but if you make a dump dog the 15 min is on and call timeout is the time still on the dog at the dump? So if the 15 mins is running he walks into the dark for 30 sec comes back is the 15mins off?
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Rules do not give a specific time frame in which a dog has to be gone before the time is lifted for not hunting. We suggest so long as the dog leaves the cast and is not seen "not hunting" then it should be considered to be out hunting again.

Common sense suggests that just because you may no longer see the dog standing right next to the cast does not always mean the dog is back out hunting again. If there are any such concerns the judge may first need to shine their light around the area to make sure the dog did in fact take off and has not just found a good hiding spot. Otherwise, consider the dog as "making an attempt to hunt", lift the time and rock on! Hope this answers your question lost mtn.


Last edited by Allen / UKC on 01-13-2011 at 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by jabrown
Copied from a post by Allen in 2011

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Originally posted by Lost mtn
The new rule I like but if you make a dump dog the 15 min is on and call timeout is the time still on the dog at the dump? So if the 15 mins is running he walks into the dark for 30 sec comes back is the 15mins off?
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Rules do not give a specific time frame in which a dog has to be gone before the time is lifted for not hunting. We suggest so long as the dog leaves the cast and is not seen "not hunting" then it should be considered to be out hunting again.

Common sense suggests that just because you may no longer see the dog standing right next to the cast does not always mean the dog is back out hunting again. If there are any such concerns the judge may first need to shine their light around the area to make sure the dog did in fact take off and has not just found a good hiding spot. Otherwise, consider the dog as "making an attempt to hunt", lift the time and rock on! Hope this answers your question lost mtn.


Last edited by Allen / UKC on 01-13-2011 at 06:54 PM

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Originally posted by JiM
Thanks for finding that. I take that as meaning if they leave sight the 15 is broke. Am I missing something?

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Originally posted by shawnfitzgerald
Pkc they have to be gone out of Sight 5 min or get struck

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Kind of brings up another question. Some like to say if a dog comes off the tree to meet you and puts their nose to the ground that they went back on trail, in order to be back on trail they have to be hunting. So if the dog comes in and sits down by the handler to get a few pats on the head, no doubt we would start the 15. Then he puts his nose to the ground beside the handlers boot, is he hunting? Is a dog with thier nose to the ground hunting , or just being a dog? It is also possible for a dog to hunt and stay busy, but never leave your sight.

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Originally posted by ssgied
Kind of brings up another question. Some like to say if a dog comes off the tree to meet you and puts their nose to the ground that they went back on trail, in order to be back on trail they have to be hunting. So if the dog comes in and sits down by the handler to get a few pats on the head, no doubt we would start the 15. Then he puts his nose to the ground beside the handlers boot, is he hunting? Is a dog with thier nose to the ground hunting , or just being a dog? It is also possible for a dog to hunt and stay busy, but never leave your sight.

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