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Posted by circleykennels on 09-02-2012 02:33 AM:

wolves

Well the wolves of the UP of MI strike again 3 dogs in 2 years. My uncle had a dog killed friday by the 3 wolf pack. They killed and consumed over half the dog in 15 to 20 minutes. He has been hunting in this area for 2 weeks with no wolf sign until the dog was cold trailing and they seen the fresh tracks entering the same section the hound was in they tried to get in and catch her but was to late. When will enough be enough? Is it going to take a human death by wolves for the DNR to do anything about these beasts? In my opion they were thinned out for a reason!

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Posted by circleykennels on 09-02-2012 07:23 PM:

If anyone has had a run in with wolves in MI please ad to my post. The wolves are running houndsmen out of areas they have been running for years and the DNR say well seems you need to find a new area to hunt. So are we supposted to let the wolves run our hunting areas?

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Posted by walkertreedogs on 09-02-2012 10:33 PM:

Its a shame that stuff like this has to happen, i personally have hunted with this dog that was killed, and she was one of the coldest nosed dogs i have ever seen, it is ruining the sport of hound hunting in the u.p., dont matter weather u run cats, bear, rabbits or, coyotes, ur dogs dont have a chance.what is it gonna come down to, a kid, or a grown up to get killed by these wolves, maybe then the dnr may start to care a little more
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Posted by bear dogger on 09-03-2012 02:02 AM:

What a sad day in our house when we got the call on Dallas. Another year of high hopes dashed. Last year it was gut wrenchng enough when Mia and Train were killed. All great dogs and a pleasure to hunt with, and you will not find a better man than the guy who turned them loose, I will promise to do what I can to help correct this out of control problem.


Posted by circleykennels on 09-03-2012 03:31 AM:

I know these 3 dogs are and will be missed by the people who hunted with them and the man who owned them. I think that there will be several people willing to lend a hand.

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Posted by shawn cole on 09-03-2012 02:43 PM:

gut shot!!!!!


Posted by catdoggz on 09-03-2012 02:56 PM:

Sounds like u need to run a pack of bull dogs through an start handin the dnr back there tracking collars.Then mayb they will find there wolves a new zip code.


Posted by bluetickman2002 on 09-03-2012 06:27 PM:

it would take a lot of bulldogs to kill just one wolf they dont stand a chance

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Posted by circleykennels on 09-03-2012 06:30 PM:

I don't know if the bull dogs would even have a chance. The male wolf weighs in at 120 to 150lbs. And you rarely find a single wolf so there would be a couple to tend to.

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Posted by Maves 22 on 09-03-2012 09:04 PM:

wolves

They killed all them for a reason and it should be done again. Between dogs and livestock you would think the dnr would get tired of paying for all they haved killed.

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Posted by bluetickbiggame on 09-03-2012 09:34 PM:

the problem here in michigan! at least the last time i knew they wont pay out on our hounds. just live stock. so no cost to them.

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Posted by circleykennels on 09-04-2012 02:45 AM:

All the MI DNR will do is go to the kill site and confirm it was a wolf kill. No remburstment for the guy who's dog or dogs are killed. All they will pay for is livestock. I will try and put some pics on here when my uncle gets back of the two dogs he had killed last year and the one from this year to give everyone a good idea of the savagery of these wolf kills.

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Posted by kardinalkennels on 09-04-2012 03:41 AM:

I am just curious how many wolfs are in WI and MI? Do all of them have collars? Is it unlawfull to kill them? If they are indeed killing livestock and I am sure they are why is the DNR so set on restocking these critters, they will only populate and create more damage.

It would seem to me that a hunter of any kind, trapper and outdoorsmen of any kind would be highly aginst the reinterduction to the wolf. Just seems stupid to me.

I am sorry for those houndsmen who have lost dogs to the wolf, isn't a dog considered livestock? If it isn't and I am sure it isn't because the dog is known as mans best friend, that should rate higher than livestock shouldn't it. I mean alot of the dogs I hunt I rate higher than alot of people I run into there are alot of idiots in this world and it would seems from the sound of the posts most of those idiots work for the DNR up north.

I would start a protest and gather as many farmers, hunters, outdoorsmen and as many folks with common sense to protest the heck of the wolf thing, good luck.

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Posted by bluetickbiggame on 09-04-2012 10:49 AM:

the dnr didn't start it. our good old goverment did. but now they have turned it over to the dnr. there is a story about the whole wolf deal for the usa. called crying wolf on the internet look it up. you can also by the dvd.

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Posted by kardinalkennels on 09-04-2012 12:13 PM:

I will look it up, but the only thing I am buying these days is shells, the little bit of food I can't grow and GAS.

Should have known it was the good ol gov. I will check it out, so I can become a little more educated on the subject. Regardless if 3 of my bluedogs died at the hands of wolves, I would have me a little bait pile laid out.

They unloaded coyotes down here in the south and mid south as well as everywhere I guess and I have had dogs run off the tree, and been surrounded by them myself, it is a bit spooky at times, can only guess what it owuld be like knowing there were 3 or more hell hounds running about lookng to kill anything they come accross.

I guess the wolf is misunderstood like most criminals, I am sure the wolves that were turned loose had counceling and were deemed corrected and stable, not just a cold blooded killer.

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Posted by iinvno1 on 09-04-2012 02:52 PM:

NO fellas bulldogs wont work. However there is a dog that we are trying over here in the northwest. Its called a boerboel. They're huge and athletic. They are used in south africa to fend off lions. You would have to train them in on how to hunt the wolves but they have no problem taking a wolf. The problem with the wolf hounds is that they are too long legged with not alot of muscle in their legs. The wolf reaches in and snaps their legs. Obviously its over at that point. The boerboel is huge and very muscular. Its the obvious choice in wolf hunting with good results so far. So I have heard. heheheheheh as I am fleshing another hide. No not really but they are working.

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Posted by Plott55 on 09-04-2012 03:08 PM:

Re: wolves

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Originally posted by Maves 22
They killed all them for a reason and it should be done again. Between dogs and livestock you would think the dnr would get tired of paying for all they haved killed.


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Posted by Floyd leopards on 09-04-2012 05:56 PM:

well said Plott 55

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Posted by Boondok on 09-04-2012 10:28 PM:

Yeah, but not much of a choice for the working man on election day... Democrat or Republican! I would like to hear more about the Boerbel dogs on how they are doing with the wolves. That sounds very interesting.

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Posted by bluetickbiggame on 09-05-2012 02:43 AM:

sorry i said that was crying wolf! i think its called cry wolf. but either way you should be able to find it.

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Posted by bigskyblue on 09-05-2012 04:55 AM:

It is "Crying Wolf" by Jeffrey D. KIng or (J.D. King)
Everyone should watch this movie even if the wolves do not affect you. A real eye opener and another scam pushed on the people.

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Posted by coyotee on 09-05-2012 07:45 PM:

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Originally posted by kardinalkennels
I am just curious how many wolfs are in WI and MI? Do all of them have collars? Is it unlawfull to kill them? If they are indeed killing livestock and I am sure they are why is the DNR so set on restocking these critters, they will only populate and create more damage.

It would seem to me that a hunter of any kind, trapper and outdoorsmen of any kind would be highly aginst the reinterduction to the wolf. Just seems stupid to me.

I am sorry for those houndsmen who have lost dogs to the wolf, isn't a dog considered livestock? If it isn't and I am sure it isn't because the dog is known as mans best friend, that should rate higher than livestock shouldn't it. I mean alot of the dogs I hunt I rate higher than alot of people I run into there are alot of idiots in this world and it would seems from the sound of the posts most of those idiots work for the DNR up north.


Do not know about Mi, but in Wi the last I knew the population estimate was 850, so that means 1200. They have been delisted a few times only to have the tree huggers find a judge and get it reversed. Last year they were delisted again and in October there is a hunt. When 201 wolves are killed out of the 2000 permits issued, the season will be closed, They can be harvested from bait, trapping, just shot and up until the Humane Society found another judge, put a stop to hunt with dogs. The dog owners are rembursed her in Wi. when bear or bird hunting, but it is something that you never want to see your dog look like, when the wolves are done with them. Not only do they kill them they eat the dogs.
Would imagine that you would have to find a single wolf track to run with dogs !!!
Hope that answered your ?"s. If you have any more, I will try and answer them.


Posted by Debbie Dorrance on 09-05-2012 07:54 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bigskyblue
It is "Crying Wolf" by Jeffrey D. KIng or (J.D. King)
Everyone should watch this movie even if the wolves do not affect you. A real eye opener and another scam pushed on the people.

I have the DVD, it is a real Eye Opener..

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Posted by DDBEARHUNTER on 09-05-2012 10:07 PM:

do you all know just how many states the wolves have been reported in?

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Posted by sgradyfarms on 09-08-2012 03:36 AM:

wolves attack bear hounds in Upsala, Canada

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