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Spring Creek Rock

Can Spring Creek Rock semen be bought?

I know at one time it was $12,500 a straw. If there's any left and you got the green i suppose it could be.

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Originally posted by jason2579
I know at one time it was $12,500 a straw. If there's any left and you got the green i suppose it could be.

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That is a ton of cash for a 50/50 shot at getting a live litter. But looks like to me drawing straws off a dog is an better investment than playing in the stock market!!

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if one man willing to pay that kinda price more power to um but by golly that's alot of money to pay especially with all the nice stud dogs that are alive right now that u can breed to. how many grand nite an nite champs did he reproduce most of been a good 80% or more to get a price like that!

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I don't think rocks % were no better or worse than most of the historical reproducer. Like most of those dogs he was just a good one at that time. Yes the walker breed has moved forward and for the most part for the best and for the money you can surely get better cross out todays hounds for comp dogs. My personal feeling is someone wanting to breed to one these older dogs is looking for something that they miss from the past. But u never know with quality of todays females those that make any cross off of any frozen semen might just have a outstanding litter. I really don't worry about it cause there's no way i could afford a pup let alone a breeding.

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According to the rumors and all the post I've seen the odyssey kennel people bred insain Jane to rock semen

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The Spring Creek Rock Semen is a GOLD MINE !!

ohhhhh brotherrrr what has he ever reproduced to make him so high and might.is he on the historical reproducers list .NO what big winners did he reproduced ONE kansas rock is his only claim to fame.

12,500,great,gold mine PLEASE.COMMON REPRODUCER AT BEST.

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Originally posted by bob country jr
ohhhhh brotherrrr what has he ever reproduced to make him so high and might.is he on the historical reproducers list .NO what big winners did he reproduced ONE kansas rock is his only claim to fame.

12,500,great,gold mine PLEASE.COMMON REPRODUCER AT BEST.

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To be honest guys I had never heard of Spring Creek Rock until now.....

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It's a simple case(in this screwed up world) of I've got something you aint got or can't get!!! Well who cares???????? Would this be another LITTER OF IMPACT??????? Folks need to start studying pedigrees and breeding whats known and try to improve the breed! JMO ..... just tell me where Insane Jane was when Spring Creek Rock was here living??????All this is is a bunch of eye candy breeding that dont mean anything other than they can breed a dog thats been dead for 30years......Well woopty dooo!!!! Has poor ol Jane not been bread enough that something hasnt worked???? Go with a proven cross!!! Tell me that you cant study and find a stud(living) that would cross better. I know its people that says its his dog and he can do what he wants and that's fine! OKC is not trying to better the breed in my opinion! ! They're simply saying "I've got plenty of money and i can get something you can't, period" Thanks for reading!

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Originally posted by Whordel
No semen is worth that but Tell us all about it since you know so much about the immortal one.I'd say Radar threw better dogs than Rock but I'll wait and let you tell us about that too.

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Originally posted by trackntreeman
According to the rumors and all the post I've seen the odyssey kennel people bred insain Jane to rock semen

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Rock threw a a gritty hound in almost

every litter. several that I hunted with could and would today be considered mean. Just like the Rat dogs today, you needed to know how to train them. I think he was one of the first to throw a lot of tree dogs and really overall balanced dog, but you didnt have to wait on them to be 2 years old to start treeing. Most other studs in his era through some good some bad based on the female, but Rock could be bred to a brood female and throw balanced coon dogs.
I liked Radar more than rock himself because he threw tremendous hounds in almost all his litters. He could make up for a bad female as well and throw whole litters of coondogs from average females.
He was what I called a prepotent stud, which means he throws himself or better in all his litters. My experience in breeding these walkers and I have been doing it for way over thirty years is that the female generally throws about 60 % or better of the traits in the pups no matter what stud they are bred to. However the few studs I have seen where the male throws more of the genetics traits in the pups than the female was Spring Creek Rock, Spring Creek Radar, Sackett Jr. and Rat Attack. Their DNA was so strong you could see the traits several generations down. You had to actually breed the traits out.

Ill give you a case in point. Houses Clint threw some nice dogs. He even threw the immortal houses lipper, but he had to be bred to just the right lineage of a female to get exceptional results. I saw him bred to one of the best natural and most complete honest coondogs that ever lived who was strong, strong finley river bred and the entire litter was a complete bust. Non of them could tree a coon at any age.
She was later bred to a finley river bred dog and threw generations of reproducing males and females that are the backbones of a well respected kennel still operating over 20 years later.
One of the studs listed above bred to this female would have at least thrown a majority of outstanding pups from this same cross.

The one thing that is a missing question in this equation and conversation on Rock is this: Does freezing the semen do something to the DNA structure and change the reproduction qualites of their offspring.
Limo was a case study in this. He was bred to several females and only a handful of nice dogs were produced from it. The Lipper semen that produced Cade and TJ's Stylish lipper only time will prove if their offspring can reproduce.
Old Rock threw dogs that reproduced dogs that could reproduce.
Lipper threw dogs that produced outstanding dogs, you could find reproducing studs several generations down the line but Limo couldnt do it and Cade should have done it and he is almost 11 and you dont see a book full of studs from him.
You see my question here?
I am not knocking anyones dogs, its just the jury is still out on is can the frozen semen produce dogs that show grandsons and great grandsons being nice reproducers.

Thats my 2 cents worth for what that is worth.

We can only experiment and time will tell. Its worth it if someone has the money to do it.

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Originally posted by Cleo
Wow! There arent any studs out there that would compair to Rock?

Just curious not trying to start crap. I have a female off Ken River Rowdy that Id love to breed to Rock one day if semen could be bought by a normal working person...

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My third treeing walker i ever owned was 3/4 brother to Spring Creek Rock. His name was Gamble's Big Jim and he was out of Willow Slough Kate and Gr. NT. Ch. Godwin's Jolly. I owned him until he was four years old. I moved into an apartment and had to sell him. He was a coondog and could tree cold tracks that other dogs could not smell. He ended up in Ohio and i never new who ended up with him. The night the man bought him he treed four single coon in over a foot of snow without saying a word on track and he open good on the ground with a beautiful bawl mouth. This just shows how he could tree lay up coons that hadn't been down for hours. Many times I hunted him with three coondogs or more and he treed coon and the other dogs never opened. I also owned a direct son of Spring Creek Rock and Minkler's Kansas Molly that i called Gamble's Shurfine Kansas. Molly was out of Bobby Shives Gold Hill Tom off House's Chief and a litter mate to Bobby's Gold hill Lead dog. Kansas was the best drifting track dog i ever owned with a beautiful bawl mouth and a stand on the wood chop mouth tree dog. He was stolen at two years old and i never put titles on him. But he was as good a coondog for his age at that time as i had owned or hunted with. He was probably going to be one of the better producers out of old Rock as i bred him to two females before he was stolen and there was show and nite hunt champions out of both litters and several exceptional coondogs that were never put in a hunt. I am 65 years old and have hunted since 5 years old and have hunted with and owned many fine coonhounds of different breeds. To those people are too young to remember or to have never hunted with the Rock hounds they were a force to be noticed in any cast they hunted in. It is my opinion that if Rock were being bred to the quality females out her today he would be dominating the stud pen. This is just my opinion, thanks for reading. Gerald Gamble

Back in the mid 80's i had a pup out of Spring Creek Rock. I bought him for $200 he was a very big dog at 6 months old. good track dog, BUT when he caught wind of his first deer it was over with. He was the best **** Deer dog i ever seen. A local Deer hunter came and tried him out he caught 2 deer and when he came back to pay me he had been running one for over 3 hours. I sold him for $400.

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Originally posted by bigdiezel79
To be honest guys I had never heard of Spring Creek Rock until now.....

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Re: Rock threw a a gritty hound in almost

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Originally posted by cripple creek
every litter. several that I hunted with could and would today be considered mean. Just like the Rat dogs today, you needed to know how to train them. I think he was one of the first to throw a lot of tree dogs and really overall balanced dog, but you didnt have to wait on them to be 2 years old to start treeing. Most other studs in his era through some good some bad based on the female, but Rock could be bred to a brood female and throw balanced coon dogs.
I liked Radar more than rock himself because he threw tremendous hounds in almost all his litters. He could make up for a bad female as well and throw whole litters of coondogs from average females.
He was what I called a prepotent stud, which means he throws himself or better in all his litters. My experience in breeding these walkers and I have been doing it for way over thirty years is that the female generally throws about 60 % or better of the traits in the pups no matter what stud they are bred to. However the few studs I have seen where the male throws more of the genetics traits in the pups than the female was Spring Creek Rock, Spring Creek Radar, Sackett Jr. and Rat Attack. Their DNA was so strong you could see the traits several generations down. You had to actually breed the traits out.

Ill give you a case in point. Houses Clint threw some nice dogs. He even threw the immortal houses lipper, but he had to be bred to just the right lineage of a female to get exceptional results. I saw him bred to one of the best natural and most complete honest coondogs that ever lived who was strong, strong finley river bred and the entire litter was a complete bust. Non of them could tree a coon at any age.
She was later bred to a finley river bred dog and threw generations of reproducing males and females that are the backbones of a well respected kennel still operating over 20 years later.
One of the studs listed above bred to this female would have at least thrown a majority of outstanding pups from this same cross.

The one thing that is a missing question in this equation and conversation on Rock is this: Does freezing the semen do something to the DNA structure and change the reproduction qualites of their offspring.
Limo was a case study in this. He was bred to several females and only a handful of nice dogs were produced from it. The Lipper semen that produced Cade and TJ's Stylish lipper only time will prove if their offspring can reproduce.
Old Rock threw dogs that reproduced dogs that could reproduce.
Lipper threw dogs that produced outstanding dogs, you could find reproducing studs several generations down the line but Limo couldnt do it and Cade should have done it and he is almost 11 and you dont see a book full of studs from him.
You see my question here?
I am not knocking anyones dogs, its just the jury is still out on is can the frozen semen produce dogs that show grandsons and great grandsons being nice reproducers.

Thats my 2 cents worth for what that is worth.

We can only experiment and time will tell. Its worth it if someone has the money to do it.

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Originally posted by David Morgan
Amazing what conversation a simple straight forward question can generate isn't it boys.

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if man wants to breed to him then we should b incoraging him not calling people names or talkin bad bout old blood from the past.. i wont never pay that .but if he got the money an wants too more power too him.. i wish him all the luck on having a big healthy litter of pups with some nice old blood in them

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Originally posted by daniel urffer
If you've never heard of Spring Creek Rock, it's time to wake the F up, or change sports JACK!!!!

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The questions I have are, does anyone ever do DNA test on straws that were drawn 30 years ago on any dog? And if the straws are so expensive, where does the sample come from? Do they get the smaple from that straw, or do they have to buy another to have DNA ran on?

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