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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-23-2012 08:12 AM:

getting deep?

What is considered deep in terms of how far a dog hunts? Does it vary by region? I know when I've hunted in Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Nebraska my dogs get struck and treed a lot closer then they do here on average. Just curious what is considered going deep in other regions.

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Posted by skeets on 06-23-2012 08:23 AM:

for around here when a dog strikes out of hearing is deep to me.

Posted by GA DAWG on 06-23-2012 08:27 AM:

Deep is measured in miles. Not yards in these parts.. When they go further than your Garmin reaches. That's pretty deep. Anything under a. 5 mile ain't deep at all.

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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-23-2012 06:13 PM:

Skeets, how far is that? I've seen some dogs that have voices that don't carry very far and I've seen some that are real loud and carry well. GA DAWG, how far does your Garmin reach? We have thin coon but if a dog goes farther than my Garmin reaches then that dog is going by coon usually. If they are hunting farther than my Garmin reaches that's too deep for me. I hunted in Tennessee a couple weeks ago and always heard a dog has to go deep, the first couple nights we never got over a mile from the truck in a two hour hunt. The last night they got in there pretty good but on average it didn't seem like they had to go real deep to get struck and treed. We had a good guide too though on Friday and Saturday so that helped. Thanks for the input.

Posted by kcdawg212 on 06-23-2012 06:28 PM:

if they have to hunt more than a mile i consider that deep most of the time here in eastern kansas they strike within a 1/4 mile or so but i would think most people when they say their dogs hunt deep anything over 750 yrdsis deep to them

Posted by shawn mullinnix on 06-23-2012 06:32 PM:

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Originally posted by Kevin Jackson
Skeets, how far is that? I've seen some dogs that have voices that don't carry very far and I've seen some that are real loud and carry well. GA DAWG, how far does your Garmin reach? We have thin coon but if a dog goes farther than my Garmin reaches then that dog is going by coon usually. If they are hunting farther than my Garmin reaches that's too deep for me. I hunted in Tennessee a couple weeks ago and always heard a dog has to go deep, the first couple nights we never got over a mile from the truck in a two hour hunt. The last night they got in there pretty good but on average it didn't seem like they had to go real deep to get struck and treed. We had a good guide too though on Friday and Saturday so that helped. Thanks for the input.

I live in Texas and if a dog gets a mile or so before he gets struck that's plenty deep for me. Usually a dog does'nt have to go that far to get struck where i live. Every now and then when coon aint moving they might have to. When i cut a dog loose i expect him to go as far as he has to to get struck and treed no matter if that's 100 yards or 2 miles. Kevin as i said i'm from Texas but i'm working in Billings right now. What part of Montana are you from. Looks like it might be some descent hunting along the Yellowstone River. I've seen alot of coon run over on the Interstate anyway.

Posted by AUSTIN DOWELL on 06-23-2012 07:51 PM:

Around here 2 miles is deep we have 4 wheeler roads that cut through the country every were were I hunt usually so we can turn loose an if they go 2 miles then we can usually take the truck an get within 100 yards or so but I would call 2 miles deep cause that is out of hearing here

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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-23-2012 08:15 PM:

Shawn, I live in central Montana. All our hunts are in Laurel though. That's only about 10 miles west of Billings. We have a hunt coming up the middle of July. Real good coon hunting down there. Our dogs usually get struck in 500 - 800 yards but we often end up treed up to a mile away. That's plenty deep for me. Not a lot of roads out here.

Posted by Randy Tallon on 06-23-2012 08:22 PM:

Here's what I've seen in my "limited" experience of hunting in various areas of the the country. In certain "areas of limited coon population" the dogs are harder to start and harder to keep straight. I've hunted against dogs from those areas that would get on the card fairly quick....but, the track would generally take them out of the country where they finally wore that poor coon down and treed it after a mile and a half (or better) chase. I found it ironic that a straight dog was treeing coon within hearing altho not running the "same hard running coon". In areas of plentiful coon I find it ironic....that the tracks don't go near as far or near as fast....for the most part.

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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-23-2012 09:29 PM:

We don't get long, fast races. The dogs get treed fairly quick after getting struck but a lot of times they have to get fairly deep to strike a track. I have seen a lot of dogs smoke fast game out of the country and then fall off on a coon over the years. I hate quitters, if my pups are running fast game they better do it right lol. They get broke quick though. I was hunting in Indiana once and we were hunting corn fields and I had two first trees and the lead. The guide called time out and moved us to a hay field. The dogs never opened the rest of the hunt. He told me after the hunt that his dog would smoke a deer until it fell off on a coon. One more coon and I would have won the hunt. I placed second so it was all good. Thought I'd seen it all until then, it had only just begun lol.

Posted by shawn mullinnix on 06-23-2012 09:48 PM:

Hey Kevin, looks like to me a dog here in Montana needs a pretty good nose to tree a coon in the Summer. Looks like conditions are pretty dry especially if you get away from the creeks or rivers. Guess you need a dog with a descent nose or one who covers enough country to get a track he can handle. I tell you, a dog in Texas during the Summer better be able to trail to tree a coon. Gets pretty hot and dry. Do you mainly hunt UKC? Have you ever tried PKC,AKC, or any of the other registries?

Posted by Blue Iron on 06-23-2012 09:58 PM:

In my mind if you've got a dog that will go a mile all by it's lonesome you've got a pretty deep hunting dog.

We tree a good many coons inside 1,000 yards but at the same time the dogs will go a mile without a bark pretty often. I don't want a dog that won't hunt as deep as it takes all alone.

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Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-24-2012 12:12 AM:

Most of our hunting is done in the river bottoms but a good nose definately helps. It can be pretty tough trailing. U.K.C. is all we have around here. There were a few A.K.C. hunts up here but not anymore. I put my Billy dog in one A.K.C. hunt and he won it. That's the only one I've ever been to. I've never heard of any P.K.C. hunts anywhere close. Did you bring any dogs up with you? You're more than welcome to tag along with me sometime if you want. My number is (406)231-3895.

Blue Iron, it sounds like you and I are about the same as far as what going deep means.

Posted by Tim Trone on 06-24-2012 02:39 AM:

Kevin , how far do you live from Broadus, Montana .

Posted by l.lyle on 06-24-2012 02:51 AM:

Deep to me does not mean much without refering to a dog's Range. On nights coons are just flat not moving will he go a half or two miles before he comes out ready to go try another block? On night they are not moving is ten miles deep enough?

Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-24-2012 02:55 AM:

Tim, it's about 370 miles from here to Broadus. My buddy is from down there. It's neat country. Real good hunting down there too, mule deer, whitetail, elk, antelope, birds, tons of bobcats, a few lions, quite a few coons, some pretty good fishing around there too. Are you going to Broadus?

Posted by Tim Trone on 06-24-2012 03:39 AM:

Im not going but i sold a rebone pup to a guy there called Shawn Wahl . He is out of my Junior dog and i think they have been running some cats with him and love the way the dog hunts .

Getting deep to me is as far as it takes to get treed and dont come back till i have to catch you off of a tree or crossing into other woods . We have a lot of big timber around here so they can go as far as they need to .

Posted by Kevin Jackson on 06-24-2012 04:11 AM:

Never heard of him but that doesn't mean anything.

Mr. Lyle, I guess I don't understand what you are saying. I thought how deep a dog hunts and the dogs "range" were the same thing. If a dog goes ten miles coon hunting with my collar on he'll be wearing someone else's collar before long. Going ten miles on a lion track isn't a big deal, the difference is they are on a track. If the coons aren't moving mine manage to get treed anyway, never had a dog go anywhere near ten miles while coon hunting.

Posted by joseph mcdonald on 06-24-2012 04:58 AM:

This is good reading

Around here, most guys say they want a dog that goes "deep"........... until a dog goes deep, then it's too much dog for them.

Certain spots have thick coon, and a get deep for no reason type dog will screw itself, then there are spots that your dog better be willing to go 400 yards or better to even get a strike.

So to me , the "deep" part is in every individuals reality and most guys say they want it and they dont and alot of guys exaggerate about how "deep" there dogs really get.

Had to laugh about the hot, dry comments about Texas. Yes gentlemen, it does get hot and dry in Illinois too.

I have hauled hounds 18 hours with no break to Texas, and hunted them that very same night and made local grand nites look silly. So I don't buy the whole "we got better track dogs in Texas" theory.

A real coondog is gonna be a coondog no matter where you dump him. My two cents, for what it's worth.

Posted by shawn mullinnix on 06-24-2012 02:16 PM:

Re: This is good reading

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Originally posted by joseph mcdonald
Around here, most guys say they want a dog that goes "deep"........... until a dog goes deep, then it's too much dog for them.

Certain spots have thick coon, and a get deep for no reason type dog will screw itself, then there are spots that your dog better be willing to go 400 yards or better to even get a strike.

So to me , the "deep" part is in every individuals reality and most guys say they want it and they dont and alot of guys exaggerate about how "deep" there dogs really get.

Had to laugh about the hot, dry comments about Texas. Yes gentlemen, it does get hot and dry in Illinois too.

I have hauled hounds 18 hours with no break to Texas, and hunted them that very same night and made local grand nites look silly. So I don't buy the whole "we got better track dogs in Texas" theory.

A real coondog is gonna be a coondog no matter where you dump him. My two cents, for what it's worth.

Never said there were better track dogs in Texas. Just said you better have a dog that "can" trail in Texas in the Summer.

Posted by joseph mcdonald on 06-24-2012 02:40 PM:

Shawn, your right, I should of worded that better. No offense intended.

Posted by ghosthunter50 on 06-25-2012 03:28 AM:

lol

thats what i say , out of hearing

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-26-2012 05:08 AM:

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Originally posted by Kevin Jackson
Never heard of him but that doesn't mean anything.

Mr. Lyle, I guess I don't understand what you are saying. I thought how deep a dog hunts and the dogs "range" were the same thing. If a dog goes ten miles coon hunting with my collar on he'll be wearing someone else's collar before long. Going ten miles on a lion track isn't a big deal, the difference is they are on a track. If the coons aren't moving mine manage to get treed anyway, never had a dog go anywhere near ten miles while coon hunting.

We are probably talking the same language. WHEN he gets struck whether it is at my feet or where I can barely hear him from then on I expect him to follow that track and me to follow him where ever it goes. If he Trees across the river means I got to go get a boat but that is part of the hunt. Striking in Range, Most still nights i can hear my dogs a mile fairly easy. Do i want him getting that far in ten minutes most drops,? . NO. I would prefer one to have a range on him that he will make a loop and hunt on back in my direction. I hunt on 10,000 acres where deep is not a problem even running wherever the coon goes to is not a problem and that is on one side of it. If they go out the other three ways there is another 50,000 acres of marsh and rivers and islands no body lives on so it is even less of a problem. It's not a problem but I don't like it. I would rather load up and go to a cornfield if they are not walking in the woods, Or in the marsh if they are not at a cornfield. Or better yet at some one acre chuffas patches planted for turkeys. I don't want a dog to "Just Go". I tried one like that that was supposed to be the GREATEST. The next thing you know, I could not pick him up on my beep beep and I had not tried to pick him up on it because it had only been 15 minutes since I had turned him loose . I know I headed him south so I went and kept checking the Beep Beep. For an hour. No signal . Decided he couldn't get in trouble or get run over down there and decided the beep beep failed or went dead or whatever , we would come back and get him tomorrow. So we started home. We had made seven miles of dirt road before it turned into pavement about five miles from a major road. We were boogying along and me and my friend thought we past something odd. I said that looked like a dog in a gallop. WE stopped and sure enough that tryout dog came trotting up out of breath. I don't need a dog with that kind of range. Don't want one to "pick off a tree, no matter " neither. They better have some kind of reverse if they ain't struck. For that matter a good road hunting pleasure coondog, which I don't do, ought not be out of your headlights but a few seconds. If he is gone longer and makes you stop and listen , he better strike in a few hundred yards. JMO. I realize this is not western dryland cat hunting I am talking about , just regular South Carolina coon hunting. Applies to a Road Hunted Dog , not UKC Rules oriented, versus a roadrunner, purpose to get away and stumble over a hot coon by himself. LOL

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