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kids being cheated

my 14 yr old was cheated out of a win in a nite ch cast fri. night by three so called adults. First drop cut loose and all dogs strike and some cars come by and you could not hear the dogs for a min and when they got by the men started treeing there dogs so she took last tree and when they got there her dog was split and the judge minused her for dog not being at that tree and he was 2 hundern yards past those dogs and the judge would not split tree her dog they go to score first tree and she finds a possom and they say there was a coon in the tree but know one could show her the coon so they circle that tree and make her retree her dog and go to him find a coon next drop the judges dog trees a possom so he scrachs her the other dogs are treeed on a den tree they get them off and cut them loose again the two females tree and one is on a tree and dog 2 is on another tree that tie togather but they did not score as one tree they cir. one and plus one her dog is about 100 yrds been treed about twenty mins. they go to him and they find a coon .last drop of the night cut loose two females strike and trail left male dog strikes above where they did and trails to top of hill they tree females and she trees her dog the females are on sep. trees so they look for 20 min. and find nothing yet her dog has been treed 20 min or longer and find a coon yet her dog shows all three coons she lost the cast by them minus her on thing that they said she done wrong by not split treeing her dog i thought it was the judges call if the dogs are split when you get there and not minus points

she should have refused to sign the card !

groworg, you really need to brush up on things, your advice is just plain wrong too often.
Refusing to sign the card would only accomplish getting her scratched before her question can even be heard.That's it! That's all it would accomplish. It doesn't have any other effect on the hunt or the acceptance of the score card. So advising her not to sign the card is really bad advice.

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PKC CH/UKC GrNtCh Stylish Kate - 9/12/08 to 9/23/2016 R.I.P - Owners Sizemore/Martin
AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.

As to the minus for leaving the tree as opposed to having been split all along, that cannot be answered by anyone who wasn't there. Maybe the judge had your daughters dog treed with the other dogs and believed the dog moved deeper after being treed. Or maybe the dog was split all along and should have been moved up to 125 and scored as split.
When I go in and find a dog is split, I just move it up and score it as a split tree. But if I was sure that dog was with the other 3 when called treed and then moved deeper and split after that, I'd have no problem minusing it for leaving the tree. I have no idea which it was and neither can anyone else who wasn't there.

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UKC Nite Champion Stylish Harry's Trixie - 2017 World Hunt Qualified - Owners - Sizemore/Martin
PKC CH/UKC GrNtCh Stylish Kate - 9/12/08 to 9/23/2016 R.I.P - Owners Sizemore/Martin
AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.

I could tell you a story but I'm not going there. These incidents are few and far between. Believe me, people who cheat kids pay for it eventually in reputation or any other way God chooses to handle it. They can't escape Him and he knows all the facts and truths. Lucky for the rest of us these incidents are few and far between. We choose to take that chance when our kids compete against adults. The chance is well worth it in the end. Stick with it. Most coonhunters love to hunt with kids and young people.

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Lance Byrd
Montevallo, AL
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Other wins: 2009 Zone 6 Championship Queen of Hunt, 2009 Zone 6 Championship Grch male friday and saturday. 2009 Zone 6 Championship Grnitech Friday, 2012 Zone 6 Championship King of Show and hunt cast winner. 2013 Zone 6 championship champion female.

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Originally posted by byrd, lance
I could tell you a story but I'm not going there. These incidents are few and far between. Believe me, people who cheat kids pay for it eventually in reputation or any other way God chooses to handle it. They can't escape Him and he knows all the facts and truths. Lucky for the rest of us these incidents are few and far between. We choose to take that chance when our kids compete against adults. The chance is well worth it in the end. Stick with it. Most coonhunters love to hunt with kids and young people.

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PKC CH/UKC GrNtCh Stylish Kate - 9/12/08 to 9/23/2016 R.I.P - Owners Sizemore/Martin
AKC/UKC NtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jeff 5/2/2000 to 1/22/2012 R.I.P.
AKC/UKC GrNtCh Sizemore's Timber Jam Jessi 12/21/04 to 1/21/2011 R.I.P.

Now this is just me but...

I started competition coonhunting when I was 16. My first cast and first time at a competition hunt was against two guys with 52 years combined competition coonhunting experience and I won by my dog getting by herself with the coon. My advise would be to make sure she knows the rules inside and out. Once that's done, just stick with it, and you'll start beating even the ones that try to cheat ya. That's when it really gets fun. Ya get cheated and still woop em, that's what I'm talking about. Good luck and just know that it's going to happen but you just have to make sure you and your dog are better than they are. Then you can make up for the minuses.

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And the closest ones alive to GrNtCh Oklahoma Twister (the #1 reproducing son of Fireball) and GrNtCh Yellow River Rocky (the #2 reproducing son of Fireball) . Thanks to alot of help from my friends.

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NtCh GrCh "PR" Dan Langston (Has 2 wins towards GrNtCh in the hunts) ( 10yr old owner asked for me to bring him back to his home) (wouldn't sell) (Ch D8 Dozer (bear hound from all coondog stock, out of my breeding) x NtCh Music/ Kitty) (33% Fireball thru heavy line breeding the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded hound alive, who is hunt titled )

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'PR' Atomic Fireball's Toes ('PR' Atomic Fireball's Fast Talker (nephew to Bookem Danno) x 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Harry Lady

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Dixie (NtCh GrCh. 'PR' Dan Langston x 'PR'Harry Lady)

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Two Toes (NtCh GrCh Dan Langston x Atomic Fireball's Toes
Didn't have the deep hunt style I like but is a solid coonhound. Been treeing her own since her second night in the woods at 8 months old.

Former home of:
(Qualified for the 2011 World Hunt) NtCh. 'PR'Swann's Lonesome Red Music/ Kitty RIP (NtCh.Twister's Musical Red Huey x NtCh. Sawblade Red Reckon) RIP

GrNtCh Fireball's Jackpot Jackie, highest placing Redbone female ever, in the UKC World Hunt . RIP

GrCh. 'PR' Atomic Fireball's Little Daisy RIP (Was the highest GrNtCh Fireball blooded female in the world at the time) (Qualified for the 2010 World Show).

'PR' Atomic Fireball's Red River (Daisy x Brown's Oklahoma Twister) RIP (heatstroke)

Ch. D-8 Dozer (Was the Highest blooded GrNtCh Fireball blooded male in the world until I had the GrNtCh Twister pups from here) Was sent to be bear hunted because of his size and me being disabled. RIP

First and only sons of the Old GrNtCh #7 Historical Reproducer Brown's Okl. Twister (the #1 Producing Son of Fireball) in 15 years..


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Steve Bell

Maybe im old fashioned but i wouldnt send my 14 year old daughter to the woods alone with a cast, to many idiots out there that care way to much about a win slip. Withot being there no way to tell if they took advantage of a kid or if her dog moved..

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kids

I had a ukc master of hounds in the woods with her but he was just as i would have been you can not say anything when they had time out he tryed to get stuff fixed right but they would not have it becouse the two guys were together out of virgina and one of them needed one win to be grand. As for the dog moveing i was standing at the truck and you could not tell if they were together becouse of where they were treed three dogs on top of hill and he was down below them and it sounded to me that they were all at one tree

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Originally posted by Mike Webb
I had a ukc master of hounds in the woods with her but he was just as i would have been you can not say anything when they had time out he tryed to get stuff fixed right but they would not have it becouse the two guys were together out of virgina and one of them needed one win to be grand. As for the dog moveing i was standing at the truck and you could not tell if they were together becouse of where they were treed three dogs on top of hill and he was down below them and it sounded to me that they were all at one tree

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Bob Brooks /
Jordan Tyler (grandson)

BackWoods River Walkers/Beagles
Just all 'round , meat gettin' hounds.

Pretty silly MOH I guess he was. If he was there and saw it all and nothing is being done. That or chicken crap one. Heck Id be barred before I could file the formal complaint with out right cheating like that.

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Michael Ghorley

kids

All this is being do as we talk just wonted every one to be on there toes

KIDS CHEATED??

HECK I WAS CHEATED 28 YRS AGO{reading mi.}.PART OF THE REASON I DON'T GET INTO OR CARE FOR HUNTS AND/OR TITLED DOGS TO THIS DAY!!
15 YR OLD,MY FIRST HUNT.WON MY CAST WITH A REDTICK FEMALE WITH 600+ NO MINUS,NO CIRCLE.
AT TRUCK,JUDGE IS TOTALING SCORE CARD UP,SEE'S I WON.
STOPS AND SAYS "GOTTA ASK A FAVOR{TO ME}"."YOU CAN COME BACK AND WIN WITH THAT DOG ANYTIME,BUT ALL MY DOG NEEDS IS A 1ST.SO CAN YOU TAKE SOME CIRCLE AND I'LL TAKE PLUS POINTS"??
I WAS 15 FELT INTIMIDATED.NOT 1 ADULT IN THE CAST CARED OR STOOD UP FOR ME.I FELT PRESSURED AND LET IT HAPPEN.
28 YRS LATER,BET I'VE ONLY BEEN TO 5 HUNTS.
BURNS LIKE IT WAS YESTERDAY....
THE HOUND I GOT NOW IS TWICE THE REDTICK.I .JUST DON'T CARE.

PAPERS DON'T TREE COON

I just re-read it. Tell me if I am seeing it wrong. She took 25 minus and scored on 3 coons all split ( 125+ ). The other dogs were not plussed on any coon, not even the one supposedly seen in the first tree with the possum and she still lost. If the fellow that is a MOH was just a spectator, then the MOH means nothing. I think there is more to this story. Why didnt you go in the woods with them? Who owns the dog she was hunting?

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James Lawrence, Big Slough Kennels

Yeah even taking last strike every drop the way I am reading it would be +450 -25 leaving +425. With only two other coon seen if they were the same dog with first strike and first tree both times they would have 450+ and whatever circle for the first tree.

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--High scoring Leopard Saturday night at Leopard days 2011
--Qualified for the 2011 UKC World Hunt.
--High Scoring Leopard of the 2011 UKC World Hunt
--Breed Winner for the 2011 Purina Race Hunt
--2011 South Dakota State Hunt Champion
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I get tired of all these I got cheated stories. Let's hear some names of the people doing the cheating. I want to know who to look out for.

2 SIDES to every story.

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Michael Ghorley

And Clubs wonder why young folks dont want to participate. For that reason there, sick of being cheated. Thats the reason I dont participate in events anymore. The way I see it, since young people arent getting into the sport, Competion Coon Hunting will probably be a thing of the past in the next 20- 30 years....Ill save my $20 and use it for fuel, Ive got nothing to prove to Anybody.

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kids

she took last strike all night the other dogs were auto strike and she never did get a split give to her by the judge and he gave her a minus for her dog meeting her off tree once and going right back i wonted to look at the card after the hunt but was told i did not have anything in it. As for who ones the dog he belongs to my nefew she just likes to hunt him he is easy for her to call and lead the acts like a lap dog with her beats all ive seenhe drags me around so i let her lead him

yep

put a sour taste in my mouth 28 yrs ago.only been to 5 hunts since.
the hound i got truelly deserves to be titled.hunted with some grnitech and nitech. wouldn't trade her for anything i've seen yet.

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
2 SIDES to every story.

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The ? about who owns the dog was because the handler or the dog owner can ? the card.

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James Lawrence, Big Slough Kennels

kids

It puts a sour taste in every ones mouth when you treat a kid that way.The week before she won her cast and the 3 gentlemen she drew said he was a blue dog man but she could convert him if the little dog was for sale but i bought this dog as a pup and gave him to my nefew and they argue over whoowns him but these two dont care who hunts him but love nor money could not buy him

Sounds like they need to buy a new coach !

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Bob Brooks /
Jordan Tyler (grandson)

BackWoods River Walkers/Beagles
Just all 'round , meat gettin' hounds.

all these cheating ****s at these hunts are ridiculous. like it means **** to be a nite champion anyways, and to screw a kid thats the worst. we had that happen here in imlay city . by some jackass thats going to get his day the next time i draw him . he knows who he is. hope he is proud to screw a girl that it was her first cast ever and i think 13 years old