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Posted by mjrandall on 08-09-2005 03:36 PM:

? about treeing

What's the best way to "tighten" a dog up at the tree? My buddy's got a young dog that is wanting to be a little loose. I had one that would meet you 10-20 yards or so from it and then go back treeing, but I broke him by tying him back. I told him to just tie him back when the other dogs are treeing and let him watch you shoot the coon out and see the other dogs fight, and that should fix him after a time or two. For whatever reason he doesn't believe me though....

It may not be the best solution, but it worked for me.

Posted by on 08-09-2005 03:46 PM:

The simplest way I have found is to grab the dog up by the collar, give them a switchen, drag their sorry ass over to the tree and get them up on it and treeing. Then let them know that is the right thing to do. Tieing them back may keep them there but I don't think it keeps them tite on the wood. I like them to know that being off the wood will get them switched. This has worked well for me.

Posted by Hillydale on 08-09-2005 05:45 PM:

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Posted by warrior on 08-09-2005 06:22 PM:

tie him back and pet up the other dogs.

You want the pup to want to be in on the excitement at the tree.
When he trees good let him have a coon or two. No coon when he does wrong. You may even need to let the other dogs have the coon while pup stays tied back and only watches.

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Posted by mjrandall on 08-09-2005 06:41 PM:

Thanks a lot guys----when I said "tie them back" I meant 10-15 feet from the tree so they can see what's going on as the others are treeing and when the coon hits the ground. Thanks a lot for the responses, I guess he just needs hunting more and more coons shot out to him.

Posted by no show on 08-09-2005 06:55 PM:

how old

is the dog and how much has he been hunted. I dont really think giving them a bunch of coons (esp. if there not the one treeing it) helps much if any. EXAMPLES: I have a buddy that has been hunting a dog that acks like the one you describe. but she'll locate, tree for a min. or two and leave, we get to the tree that she was on (my ol'potlickers still tree'en) he'll call her in and tie her up and get her to treeing and let her have some of the coon. I bet she's had 50-60 this way and still wont stay tree'd. now, i did have one that was a lil' loose, I gave him a buch and it didnt help. quit giving them to him and he tightend up nice. but they are all diff. so good luck.

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Posted by on 08-09-2005 07:02 PM:

Yep, they are all individuals and nothing is written in stone when it comes to dog training. My way worked very well with my dogs. They know being caught off the tree is not good for them. I like to knock a few coon out to a pup to let them know what we are after and where they end up but giving coons to a dog that didn't tree that coon is the surest way I know of to train a me too dog that won't hunt it's own coon. It is the surest way to train a dog that quits a track or leaves a tree everytime another dog falls treed. As for too many coons, I never felt like you could give them too many as long as they are coons the dog treed right. But again, there are exceptions to everything. And lastly, some dogs will never be stay parked or tight tree dogs for whatever reason. They don't all make dogs that can make it on a scorecard.

Posted by josh on 08-09-2005 07:46 PM:

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Originally posted by Hillydale
usually when a young hound has a problem staying at the tree--it means they need more coon shot out to them--the first guy's Idea well get you a ruined hound quicker than you can shake a stick.. you must keep him excited at the tree--not beat him and drag him to the tree....make it fun at the tree for it... good luck

Whatever works....But, IMO a dog that wont take some minor correcting at the tree was never much of a dog to begin with.

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Posted by warrior on 08-09-2005 08:57 PM:

If folks don't know it they should.

NEVER EVER LET A DOG TOUCH A COON IT HAS NOT EARNED.

By earned I do not mean barked at, was found at the tree, opened once. I mean done it absolutely right as earned. The coon should be the ultimate reward for a job well done. A pat on the head should suffice for the rest.

Posted by GumSwampWalkers on 08-09-2005 10:46 PM:

tie that dog back shoot the coon if its there and let another dog kill the coon do not at all let the pup get his mouth on that coon do this enough till the pup understands that when he doesnt tree like he is supposed too he will not be rewarded but when he does start too tree hard and stay on tree do not pet him up do not even pay attention too him the first couple of times he starts treeing like he is supposed too and sees no reward will make him want to tree even harder and be the loudest and best dog on the tree when he starts showing you that he has this kind of quality then reward him with his coon shot out the first time do not let another dog handle the coon let all the dogs see him with the coon this will build his confidence because now he got himself a coon if this dont work and it this dog does this over a whole season and using what i just told you does not tighten up on tree he will never be a good tree dog JMO and the way i was taught and every dog ive ever owned that needed to be tightend up on tree was taught this way to tighten up on tree and it worked all except for one and thats because he couldnt stop running deer long enough to tree a coon

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Posted by Chet McCreary on 08-10-2005 06:59 AM:

Once a pup or any dog has learned (HOW TO)run and treed a coon on there own.. Dont let them touch a coon again unless they are treeing on it.....Even old broke dogs.I dont let any of mine touch a coon unless they tree on the tree...When any dog trees.. I let them tree at least 5 min before I start to the tree...After I get to a tree. If a dog comes in to the tree. I just chain them back.Then let them watch if.. I give the other dog a coon..............Dogs are a lot smarter than most guys think they are..........Knocking coon out to dogs that are not treeing will not help the dog at all.....Knocking coon out is the reward for a job well done.........Dogs only need very few coon knocked out to them.....The more coon you knock out to a dog will not make them a better tree dog...... (TOP)Treedogs are born that WAY.They are not man made..........One way to make a dog tighter on tree is to chain them (way back) off the tree...25-30 feet then shoot the coon out to another dog...That helps most dogs.......

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Posted by Inleopard on 08-10-2005 02:39 PM:

usually when a young hound has a problem staying at the tree--it means they need more coon shot out to them--the first guy's Idea well get you a ruined hound quicker than you can shake a stick.. you must keep him excited at the tree--not beat him and

drag him to the tree....make it fun at the tree for it... good luck

sorry you can shoot every coon in the wood's and it isn't going to make a sorry dog a good one (all he need's is a few more coons is one of the biggest lies in the world along with the check's in the mail ) I have seen a few dog's that would start backin out on the tree lookin up for the coon to fall out you quit shootin coons and thay would tightin them selves up in a few hunts any hound that cannot stand a moderate amount of correction be it at the truck ,in the pen , inthe woods, or at the tree then in all likely hood they aren't going to ever make a truly top hound as a top hound is tough enough in mind and body to handle the rigor's of the hunt will allso handle being corrected at the tree .

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Posted by Allen Payne on 08-11-2005 01:50 AM:

I believe it just depends on the dog. Like someone has already said tree dogs are born. We have a two year old male that care's nothing for the coon once it is shot out, oh he will chew it for a minute or two and then he's through with it, I have actually seen him chew a dead coon for a minute and jump back on the tree and go right back to treeing. But I have some dogs that just seem to act rusty or something if you don't knock one out to them every now and then. I agree with Jim's method if a dog is meeting you off the tree when you are coming into the tree, switch him and make him get back on, let him know that this is not acceptable behavior. Now a dog that is milling off tree trying to go back on track sometimes can be tightend up by leashing him back and shooting the coon out to another dog and making him watch but let him have no part of the kill. But I believe that this type of milling is an inborn trait that often times will never be cured.

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