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Posted by Mike Hill on 05-21-2012 02:29 AM:

Hunting young dogs with a garmin

I have a year old walker he can tree a coon.What I have noticed is he may locate and not be sure the Garmin shows him treed I dont run in there and check till he locks down and turns it over he may go on.I just wonder how many people jump the gun and rush in there to check just because the Garmin shows him treed?

Posted by Jim Hill on 05-21-2012 02:38 AM:

my garmin has said my dog is treed when he was still tracking ,im sure he lifted his head to let out a bawl and it said treed

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Posted by red whiskey on 05-21-2012 02:51 AM:

if the dog is poking around and doesnt move more than i think a few feet it'll say he's treed.. seen that a bunch when he's smelling up a log crossing or just getting a drink,,,lol

Posted by HOBO on 05-21-2012 02:51 AM:

I wait on the dog to tell me its treed. The Garmin isn;t the only tracking system that says a dog is treed when its not. The beep beeps give you false tree signals all the time if your hunting hills.

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Posted by Smoke on 05-21-2012 03:08 AM:

I leave my Garmin off that way I pay attention to the dog not the Garmin

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Posted by l.lyle on 05-21-2012 03:08 AM:

Re: Hunting young dogs with a garmin

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Hill
I have a year old walker he can tree a coon.What I have noticed is he may locate and not be sure the Garmin shows him treed I dont run in there and check till he locks down and turns it over he may go on.I just wonder how many people jump the gun and rush in there to check just because the Garmin shows him treed?

Last month that is why I was against using Garmin on HTX hunts. A buddies dog is fairly accurate. Just not a treedog yet. He locates and gets down and sniffs around 100yards and comes back with a locate on the right tree over and over. The track on the Garmin eventually shows lines crossing at the same place, which is the tree he is locating on if you are paying any attention to what the dog is saying. I'm saying that dog does NOT deserve a pass on an HTX or pleasure hunt nor Comp hunt for that matter. That dog could ease on off on a different track and has, and my buddy and me have gone to the intersections of lines on the Garmin and found and killed the coon. Not a coondog in way way of thinking, not yet anyway!

Technology is the only thing that killed that coon, not dog power.

Posted by Kris Cisna on 05-21-2012 04:47 AM:

The only thing I let Garmin tell me is where my dog is. I own the dang thing and I will be got danged if that little chinese made piece of electonics will give me any lip!!

I bleed awesome and the Garmin is my slave!

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Posted by mauser06 on 05-21-2012 06:02 AM:

Not uncommon for a youngun to lack confidence and look up and maybe bump a tree or even tree a little and move on or come off and check and either stay, move on, or mill around...

I used a lighted collar this year starting my pup and stayed on his butt when i could...i could see when he was bumping trees..i could shine it and see if it had a coon up it or not...if it had a coon i talked to him and got to him quick..if it didnt i didnt say a word or move in on him...no leaves on the trees made my job easy....having a natural coon dog puppy made my job easy as well...built up his confidence quickly and he was locking down before long....before he was a year i could drop the gate and cut him and sit on the gate and wait for those dying locators and go in and see him locked down under a coon...

Different guys train differently...but that is how i do it...get them to the woods..get em on good tracks and build their confidence and hone their skills...

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Posted by HOBO on 05-21-2012 11:50 AM:

Re: Re: Hunting young dogs with a garmin

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle

Technology is the only thing that killed that coon, not dog power.

I might call it something different.....

Posted by walker1978 on 05-21-2012 12:39 PM:

if the collar gets turned or like was said the dog is looking up it will sometimes show treed. i never use that to tell if mine is treed. now i do use the track to see if the dog is hung up on track by milling around the same spot over and over. thats when i go in to maybe see if the dog is just not sure of its self yet. its a great training tool if you use it right.

Posted by pttm08 on 05-21-2012 04:36 PM:

Garmin's show treed due to inactivity not looking up. The beep beep collars work off of weights in the collar, garmin does not. So your dog is probably walking slowly smelling the area and that is why it shows treed.

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Posted by kayapellijed390 on 05-21-2012 06:37 PM:

Read what he said he said his dog LOCATES afew times and the garmin says he is treed. Most of know that there is not a traditional tree switch in a garmin like the old beep beeps.
I think using the garmin like you described is a great tool to help get a young dog really cranking. Case in point I once started a young bluetick got him to the point where he would run and tree with others in style and descided it was time to hunt him alone. Same type of thing he would locate and then check the tree then locate and check the tree. Like L.Lyle said eventually there is a bunch of lines intersecting showing you where the tree is. I would sneak in there real quit and when he would leave and check the back track or circle around I would shine it real quick. There was almost always a coon in those trees. Since he had the coon and was just lacking the confidence to settle in I would wait until he came back in and located again and run in there and leash him and praise him up well then he would come unglued and tree his guts out. I would then back out of there and whatch the clock and let him tree for anywheres from five to ten minutes then come back in and put the coon down on him. It only took a week or so of doing that and he quit being so insecure and when he located he was treed from then on. Now I am sure that if I kept hunting him and only shot down the coons that he legitamately treed he would have made just as good a coondog but I firmly believe that utilizing the garmin shortened his learning curve by a long shot. You got the tools why not use them? For traditions sake or pride? Please, a garmin can be used in so many ways to enhance your training why not use it?

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 05-21-2012 07:13 PM:

quote:
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I leave my Garmin off that way I pay attention to the dog not the Garmin

Greatest tool to see what a young dog is doing. Is he scouring the area, running in a straight line, or just hiding out? Now is the time to put a handle on the dog if you are wanting to. The Garmin is the greatest device that ever was, next to the E collar for putting a handle on the dog.

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Posted by jculler8 on 05-21-2012 11:26 PM:

Re: Hunting young dogs with a garmin

quote:
Originally posted by Mike Hill
I have a year old walker he can tree a coon.What I have noticed is he may locate and not be sure the Garmin shows him treed I dont run in there and check till he locks down and turns it over he may go on.I just wonder how many people jump the gun and rush in there to check just because the Garmin shows him treed?

I'm usually a good solid 15 seconds calling my dogs treed BEFORE the Garmin does.

I don't know why anyone would go running in there if you can't hear em treeing???

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Posted by J.R on 05-21-2012 11:40 PM:

leave the garmin in your pocket unless you think he blew out of the woods, why stand and look at thing all night

Posted by groworg1 on 05-21-2012 11:43 PM:

htx if dog is milling around tree its a fault garmin or no garmin ! garmin is great training tool and piece of mind because you know where its at !

Posted by l.lyle on 05-22-2012 12:40 AM:

How often does a dog have to bark to be treed?

Posted by GA DAWG on 05-22-2012 01:09 AM:

Once every 2 min on dishonest folk.

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Posted by l.lyle on 05-22-2012 02:51 AM:

quote:
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Once every 2 min on dishonest folk.

What's dishonest about using a rule?LOL I did not write them. Some I don't think are rules that are used. Makes you wonder with two minutes a dog could meet you 15 feet off the tree and in 5 seconds be back on the tree clipping off 120 BPMs but get minussed for putting his head down and going back on track in that 5 seconds when he still has 1 minute and 55 to go. LOL

My point being that my buddy that goes to the tree with his tracker would still likely pass HTX because he goes off and gets back for his one bark locate about every 1 minute and a half. He will also crank them out if you happen to walk up when he is at the tree. It's "tree my dog" time then LOL. The trouble is , you would not know exactly when to get in to the tree unless you were watching the screen to know exactly where the dog was, going or coming back.

Posted by groworg1 on 05-22-2012 04:29 AM:

htx rule dogs must tree and stay for 5 minutes before hunter arrives at tree garmin has no bearing on this matter

Posted by l.lyle on 05-22-2012 04:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by groworg1
htx rule dogs must tree and stay for 5 minutes before hunter arrives at tree garmin has no bearing on this matter

Five minutes = 2 barks . Then he still has 1 minute after the five to summon up another bark. Then another bark in two minutes etc. How you going to find him without a Garmin?

If you are saying he has to STAY treed for five then how are you going to know that he is not there most of the time without the garmin. I think the Evaluator ought to have equal access to the Garmin screen as the handler if this is allowed.

Posted by groworg1 on 05-22-2012 05:09 AM:

if a guy wants to pass that bad he's a poor excuse of a man all ukc events are by honor system there will always be cheats !!!!!!

Posted by l.lyle on 05-22-2012 05:41 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by groworg1
if a guy wants to pass that bad he's a poor excuse of a man all ukc events are by honor system there will always be cheats !!!!!!

What's not to honor? The rules say must bark at least every two minutes to be treed. Also say inform the judge of your dogs treeing style. And if dog has quirks like meeting you off tree. Those rules have been a round forever. A new rule is Garmins (generic) ARE allowed on HTX. You might not like it that a dog does not yap 106 times per minute , for 110 is too much for most people and 100 is too little for many peaple but you have one JUST RIGHT at 106 that is stuck on the tree like a locust shell and anything other than that gets minus.Show me those rules. Who would be the Cheat?

Posted by groworg1 on 05-22-2012 12:34 PM:

it's just a hunt test lets see how he does with a crowd around and no garmin lol.

Posted by kcdawg212 on 05-22-2012 02:05 PM:

hey mike i usally start to mosey in there with my lite off and watch the young dog when he locates and is standing on the tree i go in and tye him up and check the tree out if coon is there i praise him if not i send him on and as they countuie on and progress i let them tree longer and longer b4 heading in we dont live to far apart u me and kin hickman should get together id like to hunt with ur ac dog

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