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Posted by Dwayne on 04-24-2012 02:55 PM:

Getting a dog to hunt by themselves

What is everyone's opinion on getting a dog to hunt by itself? I have one that will go as far as the company she's in, but when you cut her by herself she wants to hang around your feet for 15 min and then she might finally wonder off 150 yds or so.. She don't need help treeing a coon, and she's not the dog that can take a whipping either.. Any suggestions?

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-24-2012 03:05 PM:

Re: Getting a dog to hunt by themselves

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Originally posted by Dwayne
What is everyone's opinion on getting a dog to hunt by itself? I have one that will go as far as the company she's in, but when you cut her by herself she wants to hang around your feet for 15 min and then she might finally wonder off 150 yds or so.. She don't need help treeing a coon, and she's not the dog that can take a whipping either.. Any suggestions?

Wait until kits start moving. If she won't hunt then then either be patient as you can or just give up.

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Posted by barrelmaker on 04-24-2012 03:07 PM:

Hunting alone

I've always had the best luck just starting them thru the woods and getting back in the truck and closing the doors and tailgate and just waiting. It may take a few boring nights but most of them will eventually go on and hunt.

Tom

Posted by Dwayne on 04-24-2012 03:21 PM:

Barrelmaker, That is what I have been doing...

Hoosierman, Thanks, I don't plan on giving up!!

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Posted by JiM on 04-24-2012 04:26 PM:

I guess persistence is a virtue but it's one I will live without. I decided long ago that there are too many well bred puppies out there and my time on this earth is too short to be wasted on shy dogs, mean dogs, or dogs that won't go. I ain't above walking a pup but about 12 nights out, they have taken their last walk.

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Posted by grwaskom on 04-24-2012 04:33 PM:

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I guess persistence is a virtue but it's one I will live without. I decided long ago that there are too many well bred puppies out there and my time on this earth is too short to be wasted on shy dogs, mean dogs, or dogs that won't go. I ain't above walking a pup but about 12 nights out, they have taken their last walk.

AGREE

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Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 04-24-2012 05:52 PM:

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I guess persistence is a virtue but it's one I will live without. I decided long ago that there are too many well bred puppies out there and my time on this earth is too short to be wasted on shy dogs, mean dogs, or dogs that won't go. I ain't above walking a pup but about 12 nights out, they have taken their last walk.

I agree as well.

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Posted by Bill(Chew) on 04-24-2012 06:55 PM:

Personally when I get one that wants to act like that I close up the truck and get me a switch. I do not use a e-collar for this, just a switch. The dog WILL leave the truck before I'm through. When it leaves it is welcome to come back in and will be praised and petted. I try to teach that they MUST go but CAN come back. It has always worked for me.

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Posted by old ben on 04-24-2012 09:11 PM:

Re: Hunting alone

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Originally posted by barrelmaker
I've always had the best luck just starting them thru the woods and getting back in the truck and closing the doors and tailgate and just waiting. It may take a few boring nights but most of them will eventually go on and hunt.

Tom

and drive up the road leave it come back in a hour,,but jim has a point who wants to waste all that time

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-24-2012 09:14 PM:

I had that problem once and a guy told me to just get in the truck and sit down. It works I have had to use it a couple times on differant dogs. If they can't get to you after a while they just gave up and went hunting. After a while they just get in the habbit.

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Posted by JiM on 04-24-2012 09:25 PM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
I had that problem once and a guy told me to just get in the truck and sit down. It works I have had to use it a couple times on differant dogs. If they can't get to you after a while they just gave up and went hunting. After a while they just get in the habbit.

So how does this story end? Did that dog ever amount to anything? I'm inclined to believe the dog prolly just wondered off more than it went hunting for a coon. But I admit I place heavy emphasis on desire, maybe more than I should.

Posted by john Duemmer on 04-24-2012 09:38 PM:

Nothing will make me quit on a dog quicker than a lack of drive. Id rather have 1 run a deer all night than stand at my feet. I started a young dog a couple years ago that had all the tools to be great, but was happy to just hang out and go for a walk, i tried everything thats been suggested and when i finally gave up on him and realized he was a cull i told myself that would be the last time. Like Jim said life is to short.

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Posted by jculler8 on 04-24-2012 10:28 PM:

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So how does this story end? Did that dog ever amount to anything? I'm inclined to believe the dog prolly just wondered off more than it went hunting for a coon. But I admit I place heavy emphasis on desire, maybe more than I should.

I got one here that wouldn't leave your feet til she was about 15 months old. Her range now is anywhere from 400-1760 yd or so. Splits and holds pressure. And really don't want any part of anyone else's coon.

She's 2 now and ain't leavin.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 04-24-2012 11:57 PM:

Re: Getting a dog to hunt by themselves

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Originally posted by Dwayne
What is everyone's opinion on getting a dog to hunt by itself? I have one that will go as far as the company she's in, but when you cut her by herself she wants to hang around your feet for 15 min and then she might finally wonder off 150 yds or so.. She don't need help treeing a coon, and she's not the dog that can take a whipping either.. Any suggestions?

you got 150 yrds walk up to where it quit send again now you have
300 yrds sooner or later it should strike something if it needs no help.

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Posted by RatDog on 04-24-2012 11:57 PM:

aint it fun

get a switch and crouch down on the ground and when the dog gets near just flick your wrist and keep switchin her legs till she heads out. worked for me on one of my better ones. i'm not talkin beating the dog, the only thing that should move is your wrist and the switch.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-25-2012 12:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
So how does this story end? Did that dog ever amount to anything? I'm inclined to believe the dog prolly just wondered off more than it went hunting for a coon. But I admit I place heavy emphasis on desire, maybe more than I should.

Both I used it on actualy made good dogs. They weren't get deep,fast,lonely type dogs like so many want these days. They did get to running when you cut them, doing a good job on track and tree and had no problem handleing them. I did remember one more I did the same thing on though that I had forgot. He did good for a while then one night just decided he was going to go back to staying with. He walked to a tree with me while one of the other dogs were treeing hard. Just stood around at the edge of the umbrella till we were done. I didn't leash him up.
On the way to the truck he started opening and running off to the left in front of me. I cut the other dog loose. It went in, checked and come back. About that time I seen the deer come out. He is still in that nice little grove of trees sleeping peacefuly.
So I guess it worked 3 times and stuck with 2.

Posted by l.lyle on 04-25-2012 12:20 AM:

Re: Getting a dog to hunt by themselves

quote:
Originally posted by Dwayne
What is everyone's opinion on getting a dog to hunt by itself? I have one that will go as far as the company she's in, but when you cut her by herself she wants to hang around your feet for 15 min and then she might finally wonder off 150 yds or so.. She don't need help treeing a coon, and she's not the dog that can take a whipping either.. Any suggestions?

When she goes with other dogs does she open and run like she wants to get in front. When she trees does she bark up a tree and not know why she's doing it or because she wants the coon to chew on? Hard for me to imagine one standing around if it knows and likes what it's doing.

Posted by jculler8 on 04-25-2012 12:33 AM:

Re: Re: Getting a dog to hunt by themselves

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Originally posted by l.lyle
When she goes with other dogs does she open and run like she wants to get in front. When she trees does she bark up a tree and not know why she's doing it or because she wants the coon to chew on? Hard for me to imagine one standing around if it knows and likes what it's doing.

I agree!

Posted by Dwayne on 04-25-2012 12:34 AM:

She don't follow them. She runs it to catch it and beats old dogs to the tree.. She will split tree and all.... She hasn't been hunted by herself at all, but she's ready to be singled out.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-25-2012 12:52 AM:

My old dog here wouldn't hunt a lick alone until she was over 2 yr old. Id whoop,stomp, holler, get mad, blow the horn once she hid under truck. Crank truck. Nothing worked. Now she would go miles with anything else and get alone and get split didn't matter but had to be another dog turned loose. Well one evening she got loose here at home. I came in late and heard her treed way in there. Next night I went. Cut her and she left out like a bullet and got treed well over a mile away. From that day till this un. She will bust a hole in the dark. Something snapped in her that night she got loose!! I've had em since that never would hunt alone to amount to anything. Its gotta show me something special to even attempt to make em go nowdays.

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Posted by l.lyle on 04-25-2012 12:56 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dwayne
She don't follow them. She runs it to catch it and beats old dogs to the tree.. She will split tree and all.... She hasn't been hunted by herself at all, but she's ready to be singled out.

Honestly, How many coons has she had in her mouth? I mean ones still kicking when they hit the ground.
How old is she by the way? I must have missed it?

Posted by jculler8 on 04-25-2012 01:08 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
My old dog here wouldn't hunt a lick alone until she was over 2 yr old. Id whoop,stomp, holler, get mad, blow the horn once she hid under truck. Crank truck. Nothing worked. Now she would go miles with anything else and get alone and get split didn't matter but had to be another dog turned loose. Well one evening she got loose here at home. I came in late and heard her treed way in there. Next night I went. Cut her and she left out like a bullet and got treed well over a mile away. From that day till this un. She will bust a hole in the dark. Something snapped in her that night she got loose!! I've had em since that never would hunt alone to amount to anything. Its gotta show me something special to even attempt to make em go nowdays.

hahaha... i been there man. i been there! sure feels good when they start gettin' gone though!

1 thing I've learned about training dogs is that patience and persistence are the keys. Also, like Jim said, you also have to know when enough is enough.

Posted by Mike Van Dusen on 04-25-2012 01:10 AM:

Re: Getting a dog to hunt by themselves

quote:
Originally posted by Dwayne
What is everyone's opinion on getting a dog to hunt by itself? I have one that will go as far as the company she's in, but when you cut her by herself she wants to hang around your feet for 15 min and then she might finally wonder off 150 yds or so.. She don't need help treeing a coon, and she's not the dog that can take a whipping either.. Any suggestions?

You have to drop them alone,with another dog in the box when they start treein their own coon, not always with another dog.
Too much depending on the other dog to takem hunting,they get used to it at a young age, then it's second nature to them.
It might be a problem you created,now the dog is programed to hunt with another dog, usually the other dog is doing all the thinking.

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Posted by Mike Hill on 04-25-2012 02:20 AM:

heres what you do

Bill Mick taught me this one. Take her out walk her.Stop when she comes back walk her farther stop taek a seat on a old stump she comes back walk her further stop sooner or latter you willl hit a track have patience.encourage her when she come in come on girl find a coon you go beat on her or switching her may spook her patience and encouge ment see what happens

Posted by ONEDOGNIGHT on 04-25-2012 02:34 AM:

Re: heres what you do

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Originally posted by Mike Hill
Bill Mick taught me this one. Take her out walk her.Stop when she comes back walk her farther stop taek a seat on a old stump she comes back walk her further stop sooner or latter you willl hit a track have patience.encourage her when she come in come on girl find a coon you go beat on her or switching her may spook her patience and encouge ment see what happens

Like 100% and this is what I DO.

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