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Posted by Max LeBleu on 04-23-2012 12:26 AM:

How to score?

Three dog cast. A and B strike 400 yards in front of us. A and B are boucing around in this general area opening. Dog C opens about 200 yards behind us. Dog A and B shutup and you can here them coming through the woods at a dead run. We are standing on a fire lane and they come right by us making a bee line to dog C. These dogs are not trailing they have one thing on their mind and that is to get to where dog C is opening. Should these dogs be minused for quiting a track?

Posted by ghosthunter50 on 04-23-2012 12:32 AM:

i would say not. theres no way to know that its not the same coon. thats where common sense would come in (for me) good question though

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Posted by JiM on 04-23-2012 12:37 AM:

You have to answer two simple questions to make this call.
First- Did the dog(s) quit their track? (Sounds like they did.)
Second- Did the dog(s) come in to the cast? ( Apparently not)

They must do both, quit AND come in before they can be minused in the situation above.

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Posted by Rip on 04-23-2012 12:37 AM:

No. They are allowed to quit as many tracks as they want as long as they don't come in or the 8 doesn't get them.

The rule states they must quit the track AND COME IN. Otherwise no minus for quitting a track.

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Posted by Max LeBleu on 04-23-2012 12:55 AM:

I guess the other question is what is the definition of "Coming in"? If I would have stuck my leg out I would have taken both dogs out.

I was judging this cast. The dogs were not minused. One guy wanted me to minus his dog the other felt they shouldn't be minused.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-23-2012 01:25 AM:

So long as they dont stop and just stand there then no they shouldn't be minused. It may not seem right but its very very ovbious when a dog quits a track and comes in. So many people are so minus happy in these hunts anymore, unless of course its their dog taking the licking.

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Posted by mauser06 on 04-23-2012 01:36 AM:

To me coming in is coming in and standing around...quitting a track and coming in and saying " i am done hunting"...

Seen my buddies dog get minused for that one nite...was struck and trailing and about got hung by a old barb wire fence...we were within 25yds standing there..we all seen and heard the dog yipping...he came over...stood for maybe 5 seconds...judge said he is minused and before he finished the sentence the dog was gone on trail.....he was hurting and we were close...tough break...he did come in and did quit the track...for a brief moment...

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 04-23-2012 01:44 AM:

i dont know define babbling

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Posted by Doug Bowers on 04-23-2012 01:50 AM:

BE A MAN AND TAKE YOUR MINUS, YOU KNOW DARN WELL THEY QUIT THERE TRACK,
ME TO DOG'S

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Posted by Max LeBleu on 04-23-2012 01:55 AM:

Thanks everyone for the responses.

I want to get a feel for how people think. It makes judging a cast a little easier.

I am not minus happy but I do want to judge based on what the dog is doing.

Just like Trevor he interprets the coming in rule as stopping and standing there. I have read and re-read and it does not say stop and stand there.

More club members said minus than not. But a lot of these guys are saying this because none of us want that type of dog. But here we go again we shouldn't judge based on what type dog we like we should judge based on the rules. I think this rule can be interpreted several different ways.

Also the guy that didn't want to minus them also had a little trouble minusing his dog on tree. He packed that tree several hundred yards before he was convinced he was moving. He did finally agree he was moving. It was funny!

I like to give people an opportunity to make the call on their dog. You learn a lot about the person.

May the best dog win!

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 04-23-2012 01:56 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Doug Bowers
BE A MAN AND TAKE YOUR MINUS, YOU KNOW DARN WELL THEY QUIT THERE TRACK,
ME TO DOG'S

maybe they were running each other would that be off game.
if we could only find a dog tracks

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Posted by smokin-1-mo on 04-23-2012 02:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Lee Currens Jr.
maybe they were running each other would that be off game.
if we could only find a dog tracks

THERES YOU DEFINITION OF BABBLEING.......THAT POST..

Posted by JiM on 04-23-2012 03:24 AM:

Posted by Rip on 04-23-2012 03:33 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Max LeBleu
Thanks everyone for the responses.

I want to get a feel for how people think. It makes judging a cast a little easier.

I am not minus happy but I do want to judge based on what the dog is doing.

Just like Trevor he interprets the coming in rule as stopping and standing there. I have read and re-read and it does not say stop and stand there.

More club members said minus than not. But a lot of these guys are saying this because none of us want that type of dog. But here we go again we shouldn't judge based on what type dog we like we should judge based on the rules. I think this rule can be interpreted several different ways.

Also the guy that didn't want to minus them also had a little trouble minusing his dog on tree. He packed that tree several hundred yards before he was convinced he was moving. He did finally agree he was moving. It was funny!

I like to give people an opportunity to make the call on their dog. You learn a lot about the person.

May the best dog win!

"Coming in" is a judgement call. Any judge should be able to tell that. Sounds like these dogs didn't "come in" but were just "coming through". You said yourself they had one thing on their mind, going to the other dogs. That's not coming in to the cast that's going through the cast to the other dogs. Big difference. You also said they came through at a dead run. Sounds like you guys were just in the way of where they wanted to go and if that is the case then you could not legally minus them.

Like you said, we can't judge a cast by what is deserved or not. You have to go by the rules. The dog has to quit track and "come in" meaning come into the cast, not come through or by going somewhere else.

And no, it doesn't have to stop and stand there either, we all should know the difference in a dog coming back in to the handler and a dog coming through the area and we just happen to be in the way.

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