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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 03:26 PM:

Rule Senario

3 dog cast.

A and B are struck. And declared treed.

Score the tree and it's plussed. Cast walks off the tree and A and B are still on the leash. C is struck and treed deep.

What does he strike for?

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Posted by goodtimekennel on 04-05-2012 03:59 PM:

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ALL DOGS MUST BE OFF THE LEASH IN ORDER FOR ANY DOG TO RECIEVE 100 STRIKE POINTS

HE WOULD STRIKE IN FOR 50

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-05-2012 04:19 PM:

50.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 04:21 PM:

So what if they are both casted and a strike and tree call was immediately made after?

What if A and B had returned to the tree that was just scored and C was struck and treed ? Would he go in for 50 or 100?

Posted by goodtimekennel on 04-05-2012 04:25 PM:

THE WAY I READ IT IS YOU CAN NOT STRIKE IN FOR 100 IN THIS CASE UNLESS ALL DOGS ARE OFF THE LEASH , OR AT LEAST ALL DOGS STILL HUNTING ARE OFF THE LEASH

SOON AS THOSE 2 DOGS ON LEASH ARE CAST AND NO OTHER DOG IS STRUCK YET THE STRIKE OPENS TO 100

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 04:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by goodtimekennel
THE WAY I READ IT IS YOU CAN NOT STRIKE IN FOR 100 IN THIS CASE UNLESS ALL DOGS ARE OFF THE LEASH , OR AT LEAST ALL DOGS STILL HUNTING ARE OFF THE LEASH

SOON AS THOSE 2 DOGS ON LEASH ARE CAST AND NO OTHER DOG IS STRUCK YET THE STRIKE OPENS TO 100

I agree but what about the dogs going back to the same tree? How is it right they steal 100 and 75 for a previously scored tree? Intresting senario that happened to me a few weeks back in a cast.

Posted by GA DAWG on 04-05-2012 04:37 PM:

Well which was it? Were they recasted and re struck and then the other dog struck or what? If they were turned back loose and struck back in. They still have higher than C. C handler should of maybe waited and seen what was happening.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 04:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Well which was it? Were they recasted and re struck and then the other dog struck or what? If they were turned back loose and struck back in. They still have higher than C. C handler should of maybe waited and seen what was happening.

It happened like this. Just scored A and Bs tree. Walked them a little ways and re casted. They ran right back to the same tree and C fell treed close by the cast. C go in for 50 or 100?

Posted by Neon Cowboy on 04-05-2012 05:01 PM:

50 cause he still on first set of strike. others go back in for 25

Posted by crossbblues on 04-05-2012 05:09 PM:

if im not mistakin Allen covers this in this months addition of Coonhound Bloodlines in the Advisor section.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 04-05-2012 05:12 PM:

Trevor, until those "scored" dogs are recast they "hold" their strike positions. No other dog can strike in above them. The rest becomes a matter of "you take it from there" in terms of how things played out.

Posted by GA DAWG on 04-05-2012 05:37 PM:

So Hoosier. They were not restruck when they whirled and went back? If not. C gets a 100.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 05:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
So Hoosier. They were not restruck when they whirled and went back? If not. C gets a 100.

That's what i'm figuring too. 1 did re strike and tree though because even if they go back they still have to be re struck on or before the 3rd bark just not treed.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-05-2012 06:22 PM:

Strike points were open so witch ever struck first got the 100. I am glad to read this one. I wouldn't had known. Thanks for posting it.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 04-05-2012 06:35 PM:

How did yall score it?

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 06:43 PM:

quote:
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How did yall score it?

My dog was dog C. The judge said I was going in for 50. I told him to put a ? on the card and we'd sort it out at the clubhouse. I thought it wasn't right they went in for 100 and 75 going back to the same tree.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-05-2012 06:47 PM:

They could get struck in higher than C if they got struck in first after they recast couldn't they?

I think that is a rule that should be changed. If they go back to the same tree looks like you would delete or minuse strike and tree points to me.

Then raise the other dogs strike and tree points up to were they should be.

Posted by goodtimekennel on 04-05-2012 06:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
They could get struck in higher than C if they got struck in first after they recast couldn't they?

YES

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 06:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
They could get struck in higher than C if they got struck in first after they recast couldn't they?

I think that is a rule that should be changed. If they go back to the same tree looks like you would delete or minuse strike and tree points to me.

Then raise the other dogs strike and tree points up to were they should be.

You would delete it. That's why I was wanting my 100 strike points. Not my fault they went back to a scored tree.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-05-2012 06:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by goodtimekennel
YES

Ok, thanks. I was just makeing sure.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-05-2012 06:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
You would delete it. That's why I was wanting my 100 strike points. Not my fault they went back to a scored tree.

If you delete them does the other dog get his strike raised?

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 04-05-2012 07:09 PM:

That's what I was questioning. Rules say no, common sense says yes.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 04-05-2012 07:12 PM:

Maybe to be sure we're all on the same page on the exact scenario, because I'm not 100% sure I am, I'll provide the following scenario. And give us your answer. If you fail then you should respectfully decline to judge the next time you're asked to as a reminder that you were wrong in scoring this situation Just kidding but the losers should get something shouldn't they?

Ok.... Three dog cast. A and B are declared struck and treed. C is still out and has not been struck. Tree is dead and then scored. A and B are led a short distance away and recast. A and B turn back towards the scored tree and strike in again. They're declared struck for 100 and 75. Now they tree but no one trees as they are likely back on the same tree. The cast heads towards them to check. On their way in, Dog C opens and is declared struck. What strike points are awarded to Dog C?

BTW - A and B were in fact on the previously scored tree if that makes any difference to you.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 04-05-2012 07:22 PM:

I would say C should get the 100 but don't really know. LOL

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