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Posted by Cory Highfill on 04-02-2012 03:05 AM:

Young dogs that blow up???

Seems like over the years I've had several nice young dogs that went crazy, blew up, or went through serious slumps between 16 months and 2 years of age. Beginning to think I hunt them too hard. Is it better to hunt them through a slump, or give them a little time off? Looking forward to your experiences and responses!


Posted by Dwils on 04-02-2012 03:11 AM:

Every dog listed in my signature has gone through this.....I call it the terrible 2s.....beat thing is to keep hunting them. It wont last forever

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Posted by tsbtater on 04-02-2012 03:28 AM:

Almost every beagle, hound, or cut I have raised/trained has gotten a case of "stupids" between 12-18 months. Normally lasts 1-2 months then most of the time they snap back out of it. I compare it to good kids that become stupid teenagers for a while then straighten out.


Posted by Cory Highfill on 04-02-2012 03:44 AM:

Hunting one in particular that is 17 months old, that treed coons regularly all winter. He's done stuff the last several nights that leaves me scratching my head. Refusing to hunt, junk races, blowing out of the world when he does leave...
Frustrating to say the least.


Posted by DylanHovey on 04-02-2012 04:14 AM:

Best thing to do is lay them up as long as you can, (2 weeks, a month is even better).

More often than not they will come right out of the "crazies"


Posted by CLJohnson on 04-02-2012 04:19 AM:

Happens to most if not all, lay it up, for a good while.

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Posted by mauser06 on 04-02-2012 04:20 AM:

funny how dogs go through "stages"....and some dogs "mood swings" my buddies female was the first female i ever worked with and female i ever hunted....shes a solid coon dog...but once in a while she is moody...just wont give 100%..dang moody females anyhow! lol it aint bad..and really no rhyme or reason around her heat cycle or anything....she is usually pretty excitable and rearin to go...once in a while she will just be "blah" and she'll show it...she will still hunt...but half heartedly...

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Posted by Night Shift on 04-02-2012 04:21 AM:

Young dogs are going to struggle this time of year with the sows in the shape there in. I just hunt away they need the experience when they can't smell them they learn to use there nose


Posted by Jason Baldwin on 04-02-2012 04:29 AM:

The best dog I ever owned was gave to me when she was 18 months old. The guy that gave her to me is a friend of mine. He couldn't believe the progress she made after that. And I'm NOT a good dog trainer.


Posted by skeets on 04-02-2012 06:37 AM:

i had a 15 month old dog that i was hunting every night nearly, it was hottest time of summer and he just stopped hunting. i put him up for a week and after that i never had any troubles him hunting again.


Posted by Cory Highfill on 04-02-2012 03:59 PM:

Hoping its a combination of time of year, age, moon phase, something...


Posted by micooner on 04-02-2012 04:14 PM:

All depends on YOUR patience. If you can put up with the stupids for some time without trying to Fix them and making things worse then go ahead and run. If not then give the dog a break, some need a week others longer some not at all. If the dog has it in em they will turn out ok. JMHO


Posted by Daniel Evans on 04-02-2012 09:22 PM:

This is a good thread. Should of had a poll at the top for
"lay em up" or hunt them through it. Im having the same problem right now with a young male that is 19 months old and he has been showin out for about a month now. Driving me crazy and testing my patience for sure. Hopefully he will come around.


Posted by walker1978 on 04-02-2012 09:32 PM:

mine is now getting over her stupids, i think. she was doing great one night and not doing so great the next. she would blow out of the country like a idiot one time and the next time she would a great job.still not sure if shes getting it strait all the way yet but shes doing better now. still got room for improvement thats for sure. im hope this is her problem. i know she knows what shes is doing but sometimes she just makes no sence.


Posted by jculler8 on 04-02-2012 09:36 PM:

Lay them up and take the dog in the kennel next to them hunting for a week or two straight.

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Posted by old ben on 04-02-2012 09:55 PM:

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All depends on YOUR patience. If you can put up with the stupids for some time without trying to Fix them and making things worse then go ahead and run. If not then give the dog a break, some need a week others longer some not at all. If the dog has it in em they will turn out ok. JMHO
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Posted by Jason Cooper on 04-03-2012 05:04 AM:

swap dogs with a buddy take them out of there comfort zones then they will go back to treeing coons that all they know


Posted by Harry Plotter on 04-03-2012 06:28 AM:

Re: Young dogs that blow up???

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Originally posted by Cory Highfill
Seems like over the years I've had several nice young dogs that went crazy, blew up, or went through serious slumps between 16 months and 2 years of age. Beginning to think I hunt them too hard. Is it better to hunt them through a slump, or give them a little time off? Looking forward to your experiences and responses!


depends on the dog. i like to hunt it out of them. shows me what the dog is made of. and how it will respond. there is a point of over hunting a young dog. if you cut it back to a few times a week and it comes back around then you know you have. most time i found that the slumps come from progress. such as dog treeing easy coons. then weather or season change and young dog hits a wall as they are trying to figure out how to run more difficult tracks. young dogs continually become better track dogs. most slick treeing is a result of an impatient hunter. and too much rewards for treeing easy coons. most young dogs are messed up this way. if a dog can run and tree a coon. what stops it from learning to tree more coon. lazy dog or bad trainer.


Posted by indiana1 on 04-03-2012 07:55 AM:

Just went through it, makes u crazy for sure most people said cull cull knew it was in him before just had to wait for it to show again laid him up hunted if wasn't right laid Jim up again had to do this several times last few nights looked great and acts better. Glad I did not give up on him.


Posted by starplott on 04-03-2012 09:20 AM:

Dogs go through a lot of stages just like we humans do.

2 is about maturity for most med sized dogs. Hormones are balancing out and final growth spurt for filling out is about done. I swear 16 mos to 28 mos is like 18-25 years for a human!

It's not just hounds. Police k9 and bird dogs are also prone to such loss of sanity for a short (though can feel never ending) period.

Just be glad it's not up to 3 like some of the large breeds! I've worked bloodhounds that were great tracking dogs and all the sudden 2 1/2-3 they seemed to get dumb over night and took their sweet time getting back w the program. Have had same experience w danes.

You can, and I do, work dogs through it after taking a cool off period (for me, not the dog). It is easy to get frustrated and working the dogs at the time they are all goofy and you are frustrated only causes set backs and issues to fix later (that wouldn't have been issues if left in the kennel).

I am so gung ho on my dogs that I have to step out and remember what stage they are in before I can work them with a clear head. The time off, I believe, helps them clear the clutter in their brains a little quicker. JMO

Sure is frustrating. The better the dog, the more frustrating it is going through that slump.

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Posted by burdette on 04-03-2012 03:20 PM:

if they have it in the beginning they will come back around

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