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Posted by buffaloriver on 03-11-2012 04:08 PM:

Question? when coon is caught

we were hunting last night dogs were struck then all hell broke loose coon starts squalling we can hear a good fight going on take off running toward dogs everything stopped before we got there 2 dogs are gone one came to us while we were running through woods never seen the coon but we were all sure they had it what happens to strike points?

Posted by josh on 03-11-2012 04:16 PM:

minus....

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Posted by Fred Harroun on 03-11-2012 04:17 PM:

id say the dog that came into you gets minused on strike and the 2 that stayed out they still keep there strike open

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Posted by josh on 03-11-2012 04:23 PM:

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Originally posted by Fred Harroun
id say the dog that came into you gets minused on strike and the 2 that stayed out they still keep there strike open

this is correct....I missread the question the first time.

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Posted by buffaloriver on 03-11-2012 04:29 PM:

He didnt actually come to us we ran to them wasnt my dog my dog wasnt even struck in I heard him was gona strike him coon hollared and the other two guys started running toward the dogs all I could do to keep up everything went quiet as we got to where we thought dogs were came across the one dog he kinda ran a circle around us and left I can't see minus on a the dog we walked into the track

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-11-2012 04:30 PM:

i dont care much for that if you went to the dogs.

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Posted by buffaloriver on 03-11-2012 04:35 PM:

Pretty much my question is how should that have been handled we heard the dogs fighting a coon heard the coon squall judge and guide run toward dogs I follow best as I can but had no idea what we were supposed to be doing that is why I am asking
what to do in that situation
how do u score the dogs

Posted by josh on 03-11-2012 04:39 PM:

If you keep changing the question any answere will be correct eventually....

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Posted by buffaloriver on 03-11-2012 04:50 PM:

just trying to clarify the question not change it

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-11-2012 04:52 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by buffaloriver
just trying to clarify the question not change it

somebody would have to give me a rule

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Posted by JiM on 03-11-2012 05:19 PM:

The judge must decide if the dog quit and came in or didn't he? That is really the only question here. If he quit and came in, he is minused and it doesn't matter why he came in. That the cast may have walked into the dog doesn't matter, did he come in to the cast or not? If he didn't come in, he continues his strike right along with the other 2 dogs.

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Posted by Jack Bingham on 03-11-2012 05:21 PM:

you can't score what you don't see hearing a coon fight means nothing. you have to see the dogs fighting a coon on the ground then dogs would get there strike plussed and recut.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-11-2012 05:24 PM:

Plus all their strike points. Coon was caught. Does the rule say they gotta catch it and kill it or hold it till you get there???

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-11-2012 05:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
The judge must decide if the dog quit and came in or didn't he? That is really the only question here. If he quit and came in, he is minused and it doesn't matter why he came in. That the cast may have walked into the dog doesn't matter, did he come in to the cast or not? If he didn't come in, he continues his strike right along with the other 2 dogs.

ANY TIME is the key word

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Posted by Gentry's English on 03-11-2012 05:44 PM:

if the dogs cought a coon on the ground it would be dead or if it happen to get a chance to run it would have went up a tree or in a hole real quick. the dogs would have ether have it treed or hold up. I cant see a coon getting away from three dogs. if I was there and a coon would have got away from one of my dogs like that I would have voted to minus my dog then I would be looking for a new dog........

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Posted by JiM on 03-11-2012 05:49 PM:

There's no way they score on that coon. Nobody saw it, you don't even know if it was a coon. The dogs weren't declared treed so there is nothing to score. You just judge the dog that came in, if in fact, it came in. Aside from that, just carry on.

Posted by buffaloriver on 03-11-2012 05:52 PM:

It was our opinion the other two dogs were off somewhere playing tug of war with it

Posted by Gentry's English on 03-11-2012 06:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by buffaloriver
It was our opinion the other two dogs were off somewhere playing tug of war with it

That could have been but my dog better have at lease had a leg..... Lol

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-11-2012 06:10 PM:

You don't have to tree your dog in order to get your plus points on strike on a caught coon. You do have to see em with it though. I was just kidding in that other post. Yall interfered with the dogs though. Heck mine might come to us if we are running through the woods wide open.

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Posted by Rip on 03-11-2012 06:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
There's no way they score on that coon. Nobody saw it, you don't even know if it was a coon. The dogs weren't declared treed so there is nothing to score. You just judge the dog that came in, if in fact, it came in. Aside from that, just carry on.

Jim, I don't think you are implying that someone has to tree a dog for the cast to score a coon caught, but it kind of looks like that in your post.

Just to clarify, nobody has to tree a dog to score a caught coon or a hole in the ground. If the cast believes that is what is going on they can go in and score immediately. If they see the caught coon then all dogs strike is plussed.

Same for a hole, if the dogs show you the hole then the strike is scored according to what is in the hole, or circle if you can't see what it is. In the case of a hole or place of refuge other than a tree IF someone treed their dog then those tree points would be eilgible for scoring as well.

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Posted by davery on 03-11-2012 06:18 PM:

YALL MESS THE DOGS UP BY RUNNING INTO THEM CIRCLE ALL STRIKE POINTS AND START OVER COMMON SENSE RULE.

Posted by JiM on 03-11-2012 07:11 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
Jim, I don't think you are implying that someone has to tree a dog for the cast to score a coon caught, but it kind of looks like that in your post.

Just to clarify, nobody has to tree a dog to score a caught coon or a hole in the ground. If the cast believes that is what is going on they can go in and score immediately. If they see the caught coon then all dogs strike is plussed.

Same for a hole, if the dogs show you the hole then the strike is scored according to what is in the hole, or circle if you can't see what it is. In the case of a hole or place of refuge other than a tree IF someone treed their dog then those tree points would be eilgible for scoring as well.

Rip, you are clarifying something that never happened.
Yes, I know you can score a caught coon or a place of refuge without treeing the dogs. But the very first post makes it clear that no one ever saw the dogs in a place of refuge and nobody ever saw the dogs catch a coon so neither applies to this question and that is why I said there is nothing to score except whether or not one dog quit and came in.

Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 03-11-2012 07:31 PM:

IF NO GAME SEEN, IGNORE ALL DOGS, SEEN AND UNSEEN, AND START THE TIME ON THEM TO CARRY OUT THEIR STRIKE POINTS!!!

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-11-2012 07:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
IF NO GAME SEEN, IGNORE ALL DOGS, SEEN AND UNSEEN, AND START THE TIME ON THEM TO CARRY OUT THEIR STRIKE POINTS!!!

I like that answer the best.

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Posted by josh on 03-11-2012 07:47 PM:

So, the dog that "came in" gets a pass?

JiM has this right, If the dog comes into the cast it gets its strike minused.....A cast should make every effort to not get in a situation where they niterfear with the dogs on trail, but somtimes things happen...bad break.

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