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Rule ?

This was relayed to me and they didn’t know the answer. I told him what I thought but apparently a UKC field rep that was the MOH ruled it another way.

The cast went into a tree that three dogs were declared treed on. When they got there one dog was on a tree and 15 to 20 feet from the tree the other two were caught in a hog trap. How would you score the two in the trap? It had no bearing on the outcome of the cast.

I don't know the answer but I'd be inclined to delete strike and tree for all 3.

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Delete.

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the only time i ever heard of it happening im pretty sure the guy in the hog trap got minused.... may not be the way it should have been but it did happen

well that depends on the way the dogs were treed. if dogs were treed a,b,c in that order, and dogs a and c were in the trap and b was at the tree and had a coon then b would get ++ the other 2 would get minused both ways. tough break but you cant call interference if there is a dog at the tree. dog at tree would get what ever the scoring of the tree situation was. if he was not first tre then he would NOT move up to first tree either... mike

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why couldnt you score the one on the tree and delete the strike points on the two in the trap for interference?

If I were Judging the cast ''I would score the dog on the tree ,and delete the scores on the 2 in the trap because of interference. Note; now I would have to see the trap ..if the dogs could climb out of the trap,,it wouldn't be any difference than treeing on a woven wire fence ,,in this case I would minus strike and tree points on the dogs in the trap.

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The reason I said delete all 3 is because all three were declared treed and put on the card together. That 2 of the 3 were caught in a trap that close to the tree is a rare instance where 2 could not be fairly scored with the 3rd so I would delete all 3.
I would be interested in seeing the official answer to this one.

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IF THERE NOT IN ANY DANGER I WOULD MINUS THEM AND SCORE THE LONE DOGS TREE......NOT SURE BUT I THINK THATS WHAT I WOULD DO BUT GUESS YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE THERE...

I would think if the trap was under the tree you would plus it all the way around if the dogs in the trap were treeing. If they wasn't you would minuse the ones in the trap and score the tree for the dog treeing.
Only other way I could see is call interferance, delete and go dump again.

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Originally posted by JiM
The reason I said delete all 3 is because all three were declared treed and put on the card together. That 2 of the 3 were caught in a trap that close to the tree is a rare instance where 2 could not be fairly scored with the 3rd so I would delete all 3.
I would be interested in seeing the official answer to this one.

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I dont get the reason for minusing the 2 in the trap guess it is just one of those times when you just had to be there LOL

there is no way you can call interference as all 3 dogs were declared treed. and it would be just like the 2 dogs that are in the trap were treeing on a fence. as i have heard many times ... tough break but it is what it is. if all 3 dogs were in the trap then interference could be in order. as there is 1 dog on the tree, so the tree has to be scored properly....

for the ones that think there should be interference .... answer these few questions...


1. are the dogs in eminent danger of crossong the road
2. are the dogs on land they are not supposed to be on
3. is there another cast in the area of the tree

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No idea how UKC. will rule but my inclination would be to score the treed dog accordingly and delete the points on the 2 trapped dogs. No question that they were interfeared with by the trap and it doesnt seem right to punish the treed dog who did everything right. Still a bad break for the dogs in the trap but atleast they are still in the game.

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lets really think out of the box,,all dogs are declared treed, one is on the tree, the other two were said to be 15 to 20 ft from the tree and obviously not moving from the trap, are they under the so called canopy of the tree rule and showing tree, well then plus em all up if the coon is seen. JMHO

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Originally posted by micooner
lets really think out of the box,,all dogs are declared treed, one is on the tree, the other two were said to be 15 to 20 ft from the tree and obviously not moving from the trap, are they under the so called canopy of the tree rule and showing tree, well then plus em all up if the coon is seen. JMHO

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John I know just having some fun.

1. are the dogs in eminent danger of crossong the road
2. are the dogs on land they are not supposed to be on
3. is there another cast in the area of the tree [/B][/QUOTE]

No another hunter has them leashed when you get there or a farmer then is it interference?
If there under the tree or showing the tree they get there points. Weather they are standing in water crap or a trap.
I have seen hog traps 16 ft. square. Chances are the coon fed in that hog trap and went threw the wire to the tree. So if they are showing the tree weather they can get right on it or not they should get there points.
So a person would have to know if they were showing the tree or not. That is the only question I see here and I don't think it has been said if the dogs were showing the tree or not but if they were in that cage barking at that tree I would say give them there points.

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minus the 2 and plus up the one with the positions called in.....

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Minus

2 dogs & plus 1 on the tree. Have had this happen several times in 40+ years at hunts. 3 dogs called treed, walk in & 2 dogs on on 54" hog tight woven wire fence, other dog is 30 yards past them on a tree with coon. Tough luck, but they should have crossed over too. Take care, Ron.

15 or 20 foot unless the tree is a stick or small bush they are under the tree and 15or 20 foot isn't 30 or 40 yards away stuck on hog fence or panel and if 2 dogs are traped in a hog trap is a danger to each other because on atree they can move around and get away from each othere in the trap they can't so their for they may hurt one another be it fighting or jumping on one another this could cause any dogs temper to flare up so etheir way it's not a minus

WAY TO MANY IFS .....THERE MINUSED...STOP LOOKIN FOR WAYS TO GET OUT OF THE MINUS...

THAT LAST ONE THERE THAT SAYS THEY COULD GET IN A FIGHT SO CALL INTERFEARANCE WOW,HELL THEY COULD GET IN A FIGHT ANYWHERE BUT THERE NOT FIGHTING...TAKE YOUR MINUS AND TURN THEM LOOSE....

plus the dog on the tree and scratch the hog dogs. ukc says you dont have to see the hog!!!LOL just having fun..

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Question, was the trap open top or closed top? I've seen both types.

If it was open top then I would vote to minus the two and plus the one on the tree according to called positions. That's because the dogs had the option to climb over, so treat it like a fence.

If it was closed top then I would vote to delete both strike and tree points on the two in the trap. The dogs were confined just like someone caught them and put them in a dog box. I would plus the dog on the tree.

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