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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-09-2012 03:41 PM:

Simple Question?

Can you go back in time on a card and UN MINUS a dog. Yes or No????

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 03-09-2012 03:43 PM:

With a majority vote you can do about anything in a cast lol

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Posted by on 03-09-2012 03:46 PM:

Re: Simple Question?

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Can you go back in time on a card and UN MINUS a dog. Yes or No????

Posted by Dogwhisper on 03-09-2012 03:55 PM:

If u follow procedure it can be done. If its ? @ the time it was scored .
Moh/panel have that privy.

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-09-2012 04:31 PM:

Maybe I should of said in the woods. Without it going to a MOH or Panel. Yall list examples of how you can please.

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Posted by coondogedog on 03-09-2012 05:02 PM:

Once a tree has been scored, it's scored. No going back unless it's changed by a MOH, and that ain't likely.

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Posted by WEBBER on 03-09-2012 05:15 PM:

I would think...
If it was simply a written mistake - YES
If it was scoring a tree minus or circle - NO
If it was any other scoring that was questioned at the time with a ? - YES. Just as long as the majority is in agreement why not.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-09-2012 05:20 PM:

Say we are going in to dogs treed. Dogs are split 60 yards apart. I see one dog leave its tree and go to others. I automatically minus it for leaving for 125 cause its treed in first. It goes back to other tree and is handled there. Soon as I put a light in tree. The tree the dog left falls way over and is laying in other tree.. Obviously scored as one tree but I already minused the dog. In my mind it stays minused. Don't matter what it should stay on one tree. I've talked to a lot of others that said no because its scored as one tree. I can kinda see that to if it was only feet apart.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-09-2012 05:47 PM:

First if those trees are 60 yards apart theres no way they are touching? but if you meant 60 feet i think you better fix your mistake on that card or we are gonna make a needless trip back to the clubhouse.

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Posted by JiM on 03-09-2012 06:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Say we are going in to dogs treed. Dogs are split 60 yards apart. I see one dog leave its tree and go to others. I automatically minus it for leaving for 125 cause its treed in first. It goes back to other tree and is handled there. Soon as I put a light in tree. The tree the dog left falls way over and is laying in other tree.. Obviously scored as one tree but I already minused the dog. In my mind it stays minused. Don't matter what it should stay on one tree. I've talked to a lot of others that said no because its scored as one tree. I can kinda see that to if it was only feet apart.

60 feet or 60 yards, in your example above I think the dog stays minused. You can't unminus a dog.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-09-2012 06:05 PM:

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60 feet or 60 yards, in your example above I think the dog stays minused. You can't unminus a dog.

WHY? where is it written that a judge cant correct a mistake on the card? thats why pencils have erasers. If a dog is moving between 2 trees that are being scored as one he isnt moving

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 03-09-2012 06:06 PM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer
WHY? where is it written that a judge cant correct a mistake on the card? thats why pencils have erasers.

Why? Imagine the can of worms that would open up.

Posted by JiM on 03-09-2012 06:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
WHY? where is it written that a judge cant correct a mistake on the card? thats why pencils have erasers. If a dog is moving between 2 trees that are being scored as one he isnt moving

Yes, the judge can correct a mistake on the card. I don't think this involves a mistake and I don't think THIS one can be changed. But I might be wrong

Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 03-09-2012 06:48 PM:

I called and asked Allen to weigh in on this. I have mixed thoughts. However, I don't see how you can minus a dog for leaving a tree that he technically never left. At the moment you decide that it is all one tree then the dog never actually left "the tree". I think you have to correct the minus.
On a side note 60 yrds is 180 feet. That would have to be one big freakin tree to fall into the other one from 180 feet!!

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Posted by K. Singletary on 03-09-2012 06:54 PM:

Well, he did leave. When he was running from one tree to the other he was not showing tree and should be minused IMO.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 03-09-2012 07:00 PM:

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Originally posted by K. Singletary
Well, he did leave. When he was running from one tree to the other he was not showing tree and should be minused IMO.

If the 2 trees are considered 1 what did he leave? We dont require a dog to be locked to a tree, we allow them to greet a handler.

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Posted by WEBBER on 03-09-2012 07:00 PM:

GA DAWG are you more concerned about your original question or the hunt scenario you presented.

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Posted by Allen / UKC on 03-09-2012 07:52 PM:

Re: Simple Question?

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Can you go back in time on a card and UN MINUS a dog. Yes or No????

Yes and no. Wishy washy answer? lol. Yeah.

You can't go back and change your mind on how to score a previous situation.

Five, six, seven years ago we did an article on this very topic. I searched around the Advisor Columns listed on the homepage but don't find it there. Seems like it was titled "Scored as One at the Top is Scored as One at The Bottom", or something to that affect.

Regardless, of course we can all make some dang good arguments when considering several different variables that might play a part when it comes to dogs moving about between trees that are scored as one. So, to eliminate the sake of argument on any such variables we simply said to not minus dogs for moving between trees when your scoring more than one as one.

So to answer the question you should unminus in this unique situation.

Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 03-09-2012 07:56 PM:

Thanks for the reply Allen.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 03-09-2012 08:39 PM:

And we have some danged tall trees here in north ga!

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Posted by Dale Young on 03-09-2012 10:51 PM:

Sounds good to me. I was thinking that as long as you were standing there under that tree writing in the score you should be able to correct any mistake you made while doing it .

Posted by GA DAWG on 03-09-2012 11:27 PM:

The deal was though. Could of minused dog from a 100 yards away. You know how folks are. They were hollering. That dog moved. That dog moved lol.

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Posted by BIG$BLUES on 03-09-2012 11:50 PM:

Yea folks are quick to minuse so long as its not there's then it's like pulling teeth

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-10-2012 12:09 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dale Young
Sounds good to me. I was thinking that as long as you were standing there under that tree writing in the score you should be able to correct any mistake you made while doing it .

always thought the scoring went on after you lead them a way
somebody will ask how did you score that are what the score
then a vote,question done deal.i dont know if it takes the majority
to + how many to - one.

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Posted by jculler8 on 03-10-2012 12:32 AM:

Re: Simple Question?

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
Can you go back in time on a card and UN MINUS a dog. Yes or No????

The answer is YES! I remember a few years back this question came up.

For example: A babbling situation.

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