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Posted by Oak Ridge on 03-04-2012 10:44 PM:

What would you breed her to?

Okay....I never thought I would type that question....and part of this is because I think it's "funny".......but the other part is that I'm about half-and-half on the fence and haven't made up my mind yet.

I have a female here that is in heat, and I've kinda been waiting on her to come in. She is a three quarter sister to my Cube dog...so that rules him out as a stud, and because I do in fact believe a cross with her on Cube would be a little "over the top" (that is saying a lot for me) That leaves me with two choices in my Kennel to breed her to.

This is her pedigree...

*****************GRNITECH 'PR' BALL'S HICKORY NUT HARRY
********GRNITECH 'PR' OWENS' HARDWOOD BOZO
*****************NITECH 'PR' RUTAN'S BEAR CR. PRINCESS
******GRNITECH CH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD CLOVER
****************GRNITECH MEARS FINLEY RIVER DAN
*******GRNITECH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD JULIE
****************GRNITECH CH MAGILLS LONE PINE JILL
***PCH 'PR' STYLISH CLOVER
****************GRNITECH 'PR' HOUSE'S CLINT
********GRNITECH GRCH 'PR' HOUSE'S LIPPER
****************'PR' HOUSE'S QUEEN LOU
*******GRNITECH 'PR' KORTE'S STYLISH CHIRPEE
*****************GRNITECH WICK'S STYLISH BANJO
*********GRNITECH 'PR' SCHMERSHAL'S STYLISH QUEEN
*****************WICK'S OZARK MISSY

SCH 'PR' STYLISH HIT MAN

*****************GRNITECH CH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD CLOVER
**********PCH 'PR' STYLISH CLOVER
*****************GRNITECH 'PR' KORTE'S STYLISH CHIRPEE
*****GRNITECH PCH STYLISH LITTLE MAN
*****************GRNITECH WICK'S THUNDER
*********NITECH STYLISH THUNDER GIRL
*****************GRNITECH 'PR' SCHMERSHAL'S STYLISH QUEEN
***'PR' Little Man's Stylish Lizzy
****************GRNITECH 'PR' OWENS' HARDWOOD BOZO
**********CH GRNITECH TONY'S WILD CLOVER
**************GRNITECH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD JULIE
*****'PR' Stylish Clover Girl
***************GRNITECH CH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD CLOVER
*********GRNITECH 'PR' Kehres' Stylish Patch
***************GRNITECH 'PR' KORTE'S STYLISH CHIRPEE

Oak Ridge Stylish Molly

***********GR NT Owen's Hardwood Bozo
*******GR NT Logan's Wild Clover
***********GR NT Logan's Wild Julie
*****PCH Stylish Clover
************GR NT House's Lipper
*******GR NT Korte's Stylish Chirpee
************GR NT Schmershal's Stylish Queen
Clover's Stylish Molly
************GR NT Rock River Sackett
********GR NT Rock River Sackett Jr.
************GR NT Skean's Dolly
*****Wild Tracy
************GR NT Tony's Wild Clover
********NT CH Layburger's Late Night Cindy
************Cox's Finly River Patti

As you can see...she has just a little bit of Clover sprinkled in.....

Now I have a choice to make....I can breed her to Thorn...which I think would be an excellent choice.....lots of balance and lots of Clover....

*********GR NT Rock River Sackett
*******GR NT Rock River Sackett Jr.
*********GR NT Skean's Dolly
GR NT Cowee Creek Clint
*********GR NT House's Lipper
*******GR NT Dolly's Stylish Queen
*********NT CH Stylish Dolly

CH GRNT AKC Supreme Grand Night, PKC CH Stylish Thorn HTX

**********GR NT Logan's Wild Clover
********PCH Stylish Clover
**********GR NT Korte's Stylish Chirpee
GR NT Little Stylish Dolly
**********GR NT Ball's Stylish Hickory Nut Harry
********NT CH Gadd's Indiana Singin Yaya
**********GR NT Starn's Oklahoma Sadie

The OTHER choice that I have is haunting me right now. I have in my kennel a young dog that I fell in love with his third or fourth night in the woods. He's still VERY young and not what I would consider "finished" by any stretch of the imagination...but he's well on his way....... This dog is a get yonder, go hunting, get one bushed kinda dog that is the kind of tree dog that we all want....and the tree part is where the female needs a little "help". She is a bawl moth tree dog, and I am looking for some real tree power.

************* GRCH GRNITECH Quick's Wild Thunder
*********GRNTCH Thunder's Wild Clyde
************* GRCH Nitech Allen's Hardwood Ann
*****GRNT Clyde's Wild Tough
*************GRCH Neosho River Dancer
*********GRNT GRCH Dean's Little Katie Ann
*************Sue Horse Shoe Ridge
**Wild General Lee
*************GRNT Honky Tonk Thunder
*********GRNT Honkey Tonk Spot
*************NTCH Honkey Tonk Cee Jay
*****GRNT Miller's Little Speck
**************NTCH Quick's Wild Maverick
*********Skin-Em-Back-Granny
**************Roll's Little Babe

Thorn has certainly sired some nice pups, is a tree dog deluxe and would give me what I'm looking for as well...but I'm curious about what the young male will throw....

So....having said that...what would ya'll do?

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-04-2012 11:43 PM:

thorn i liked him the night you guys were on the golf course
and he was tring to lean on you to pet him.

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Posted by Jake Appel on 03-04-2012 11:50 PM:

JMO-Joe but I would go in assuming either litter will give you what you want. Then I would ask yourself, which cross gives me a female that would go back on Cube nicely. ( Or a male on a Cube or Thorn Daughter). Would be all about looking down the road for me. Again...jmo

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Posted by toe cutter on 03-04-2012 11:50 PM:

i would expect some of the pups out of your female would tree just like she does no matter what you cross with her.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 03-05-2012 12:40 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by toe cutter
i would expect some of the pups out of your female would tree just like she does no matter what you cross with her.

Actually, I'm not sure that this is true. I owned both her sire and her dam, am hunting a half brother to her, and have hunted with several of her siblings....she's a bit of an "anomaly" in that department. I am sure that there is a chance, but what I do know is that, at least where Thorn is concerned, he has NEVER thrown a bawl mouth tree dog, and he has been bred to a couple of bawl moth females.....

To me this is a question about continued line breeding (since Thorn is out of a Stylish Clover female), and a complete outcross.

I haven't made an outcross in so long...it spooks me a little. But I am dying to know what this male pup will throw.

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Posted by Nat Thomas on 03-05-2012 02:55 AM:

Is it really right for Joe Newlin to make an outcross? Stick to what has worked.

Posted by toe cutter on 03-05-2012 05:17 AM:

*****************GRNITECH CH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD CLOVER
**********PCH 'PR' STYLISH CLOVER
*****************GRNITECH 'PR' KORTE'S STYLISH CHIRPEE
*****GR NT CH MIAMI VALLEY STYLISH JINX
*****************GRNITECH WICK'S THUNDER
*********NITECH STYLISH THUNDER GIRL
*****************GRNITECH 'PR' SCHMERSHAL'S STYLISH QUEEN

AFTER LOOKING AT YOUR DOGS PED I SEE I GOT SOME OF THAT BLOOD MYSELF.
I HAVE A NICE YOUNG MALE THAT HAS THIS BREEDING CLOSE ON THE BOTTOM ,
JINX WAS HIS MOTHERS SIRE. STYLISH LITTLE MANS BROTHER?

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Posted by blanketback on 03-05-2012 05:27 AM:

Thorn!!!!!!!

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Posted by Whordel on 03-05-2012 05:35 AM:

Just a thought.If you wanting something with some tree power with a little Clover thrown into it I would breed to something like Cascade Jack Attack.

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Posted by J.Fox on 03-05-2012 05:43 AM:

What about my Big horn cruise It would just add o alittle more clover...

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.........................................GRNITECH.Deskins Windy
..................GRNITECH. Cheat River Big Horn Cruise
..........................................GRNITECH.Lippers Hardwood Gun
...............................GRNITECH. Abbott's Hardwood Dottie
...........................................GRNITECH.Abbotts Big Horn Daisy

........GRNITECH...PKC $$$ WON...Bradford's Big Horn Cruise

..........................................GRNTCH**.Logans Wild Clover**
..............................GRNITECH. Tony's Wild Clover
..........................................GRNITECH.Logans Wild Jeanie
..................GRNITECH. Lampman's Two Wild Kate
..........................................GRNITECH**.Logans Wild Clover**
.............................GRNITECH. Lampman's Wild Katie
..........................................GRNITECH.Massey's CC Walker

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 03-05-2012 12:49 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by toe cutter
*****************GRNITECH CH 'PR' LOGAN'S WILD CLOVER
**********PCH 'PR' STYLISH CLOVER
*****************GRNITECH 'PR' KORTE'S STYLISH CHIRPEE
*****GR NT CH MIAMI VALLEY STYLISH JINX
*****************GRNITECH WICK'S THUNDER
*********NITECH STYLISH THUNDER GIRL
*****************GRNITECH 'PR' SCHMERSHAL'S STYLISH QUEEN

AFTER LOOKING AT YOUR DOGS PED I SEE I GOT SOME OF THAT BLOOD MYSELF.
I HAVE A NICE YOUNG MALE THAT HAS THIS BREEDING CLOSE ON THE BOTTOM ,
JINX WAS HIS MOTHERS SIRE. STYLISH LITTLE MANS BROTHER?

Yes, Jinx was a littermate brother to Little Man...and man what a litter of pups that was. It was a small litter, but every pup in the litter made Grand Nite, and both Little Man and Jinx went on to be reproducers.....

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 03-05-2012 12:56 PM:

Nothing against your dogs guys.....but if I really had to go outside of my own kennel to get what I'm looking for....I'd quit.

I have been raising this line of dogs for quite a while now, and I truly like what I have. I'm not "blind" to outside dogs, but there truly is NO way that I would go shopping for a stud dog on the internet......

I'm not looking for the typical "what to breed her to suggestions". Thank you kindly, and I applaud you for believing enough in your stud dogs to suggest them....but quite frankly it ain't gonna happen.

She will be bred to one of the two dogs I mentioned, or she won't be bred at all.

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Posted by plentyofpossum on 03-05-2012 03:04 PM:

General Lee for me. I'm not a fan of sackett so thorn is out on my vote. I would be fearful of the sackett spreading blanket backs in my clover blood. Sounds like he would compliment your females faults, if you want to call it a fault.

Posted by Larry Atherton on 03-05-2012 03:26 PM:

Say it isn't so Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol

Joe,

How old is the female? Has she reproduced the quality of pups you desire? If so then the young male would be a good candidate. If she herself is young, I would probably stick with Thorn, and choose an older female that you know does her part to test the young male out.

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Posted by deschmidt27 on 03-05-2012 05:15 PM:

Joe,

I'm not going to venture a guess on this one, as you know, I lack the experience and knowledge. But you've peaked my curiosity... what traits or attributes do you think or hope Lee will bring to the cross that Thorn wouldn't? Or are you considering this breeding as a trial, to answer that question?

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Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 03-05-2012 09:23 PM:

Re: What would you breed her to?

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
Thorn has certainly sired some nice pups, is a tree dog deluxe and would give me what I'm looking for as well...but I'm curious about what the young male will throw....

You said it there............Give you what you're looking for, and is a proven reproducer. I'd go with Thorn! You said your other choice was still young and if all goes well you can always breed to him down the road!!! Just my 2 cents!! Best of Luck!!!

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Posted by Dirtdevil on 03-05-2012 11:28 PM:

I agree with Larry ... some age old wisdom in that method ... and it works too ...

Posted by Oak Ridge on 03-06-2012 02:14 AM:

Re: Say it isn't so Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol

quote:
Originally posted by Larry Atherton
Joe,

How old is the female? Has she reproduced the quality of pups you desire? If so then the young male would be a good candidate. If she herself is young, I would probably stick with Thorn, and choose an older female that you know does her part to test the young male out.

Haven't updated the post at all, but I came to a decision late last night.

Basically, I came to the same realization that Larry did late last night. I don't know much about her reproduction abilities, I know what her mother, aunts, and sisters have reproduced, but having never bred her, she is a poor test for my young male.

Thorn is the "lucky dog" and is in the kennel with her as I type this....has been for a little while so I'm pretty sure "the damage is done"....

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Posted by okietreedog on 03-06-2012 02:35 PM:

What about a dual sired litter? bred to both then dna test the pups

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Posted by toe cutter on 03-06-2012 03:17 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
Yes, Jinx was a littermate brother to Little Man...and man what a litter of pups that was. It was a small litter, but every pup in the litter made Grand Nite, and both Little Man and Jinx went on to be reproducers.....

Stylish Thunder Girl - 5 pups, 3 Grnt. 1 Ntch.
thunder girl was off a half brother / half sister cross.

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Posted by mr.p on 03-06-2012 08:33 PM:

i would go with the best lipper dog i could find or tripple tret

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Posted by Hunting24/7 on 03-06-2012 10:27 PM:

Joe

generals sire is 2hrs from me. he is producing some nice coon dogs. i have a 2 yr old out him that i love he is fast dog good locate nice tree dog and loves to tree lay ups. tuff is the same way my uncle owned the brother to clydes wild tuff also he operated same way pretty good mouths. id give the young dog a shot at reproducing. if you have any questions i can give you the guys number who owns tuff.

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