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Posted by on 02-08-2012 04:06 AM:

Treeing den trees?

I was wondering what everyone else thought about treeing dens. The dog I'm hunting hardly ever trees a den. I have hunted her for going on three years and have treed less than 10 dens. I mean legit dens not trees with squirrel holes in them. She will run a cold track and does quite often but even those don’t end up in dens. I have hunted with and owned several dogs that tree at least a den tree a night. Are they slick? I'm beginning to think that if we could see in a big part of these dens that are treed we would be real disappointed in our dogs.

Posted by josh on 02-08-2012 04:40 AM:

I have noticed plenty of dogs seem to get a their share of "dens"...IMO over 80% are empty.

The best dog I ever had treed very few "dens".

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Posted by l.lyle on 02-08-2012 05:34 AM:

Re: Treeing den trees?

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Originally posted by Joey
I was wondering what everyone else thought about treeing dens. The dog I'm hunting hardly ever trees a den. I have hunted her for going on three years and have treed less than 10 dens. I mean legit dens not trees with squirrel holes in them. She will run a cold track and does quite often but even those don’t end up in dens. I have hunted with and owned several dogs that tree at least a den tree a night. Are they slick? I'm beginning to think that if we could see in a big part of these dens that are treed we would be real disappointed in our dogs.

I haven't even read the rest of the thread and the bits of wisdom contained therin.LOL . However, If a coondog makes it to a den it depends on only five things: 1)how close is the coon to the den when it realizes the dog is after him, 2)how fast is the dog; and 3) how fast is the coon, for example you happen to get lucky and turn out 100 yards from a creek where a coon is at right now , not been feeding along an hour ago more or less such an such realizing he is in peril and best seek shelter. 4) My coons don't know they are in peril because they do not think about seeking shelter because they are not smart enough to know that they have asecond chance to learn about shelter and all that kind of stuff because they are dead meat if the get treed once and give me a glipse. And 5) the best one yet! is because there are some male rutting coons that hear a dog trailing and trailind in a patch where he has it figured a hotty is , so he does the manly thing and boogies up to the dogs and takes them on a chase just to get them out of her trail. That is what i believer because I have seen/heard a coon come loping through broomstraw, sit and listen to trailing his fixing to be hottie and leave his rutting scent in front of there nose just to plain distract them dogs off cold trailing her. That coon intendes to run like a fox and has no intentions of seeking a hollow shelter. Cause i would smoke him out anyway and he probably knows it. To shorten my long- short story., You will never know untill you have a GPS collar on a coon. To know where he was had a head start on a slow minded dog nor a fasss dog. You can make up a story to suit yourself like I just now did. to make it all interesting . But the fact reamains; untill you know where the coon is at ad when you are just going to be playing with yourself( fantasizing) so to speack. I still say a coon that had one dog on him one time and dead never learns to seek refuge and you are right if we could "see" via GPS alot of empty dens , you are right alot of us would be dissapointed to put it mildly and most of us would do differt than petting up a lying den treeing back tracker. Hail, GPS.

Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 02-08-2012 12:53 PM:

Re: Treeing den trees?

quote:
Originally posted by Joey
I was wondering what everyone else thought about treeing dens. The dog I'm hunting hardly ever trees a den. I have hunted her for going on three years and have treed less than 10 dens. I mean legit dens not trees with squirrel holes in them. She will run a cold track and does quite often but even those don’t end up in dens. I have hunted with and owned several dogs that tree at least a den tree a night. Are they slick? I'm beginning to think that if we could see in a big part of these dens that are treed we would be real disappointed in our dogs.

Dens are part of coon hunting. Cold nasty nights your chance of treeing on a den goes WAY up. Nice dark mild night, making a den goes way down. Then again It also depends on the dog. Some dogs are so tree happy at times they don't check the tree and they tree on any smell on the wood.

I will also say female coons are laying up alot right now. They will get down find a quick mean and drink a little then it's right back up to their den.

No shame in treeing a den this time of year unless your dog is making to many. I guess if you truly know your dog you will know when its wrong or right. My female I own, I will tell you if she has a coon in her dens or not. Once you get to know and trust a dog you will know.

Posted by amazingcursouth on 02-08-2012 01:59 PM:

sometimes dogs tree where the coon came from not where he went lol

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Posted by GA DAWG on 02-08-2012 05:09 PM:

If a man don't make a den this week in north ga with the full moon and rut wide open. He ain't got no dens on his places

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Posted by capt_agricultur on 02-10-2012 08:52 PM:

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My superman & Stormy each had a den about 100 ft apart later that night had about 2 in of snow......go figure

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 02-10-2012 09:49 PM:

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sometimes dogs tree where the coon came from not where he went lol

sometimes there is more than 1 set of tracks going in and out

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Posted by Dwils on 02-10-2012 09:55 PM:

Im with Josh on this one....80-90% of dens are empty. If your treeing coons on the outside and tree a den. Its most likely slick .

If ya have a dog that makes alot of slicks and trees dens. . . Go to whippin off those dens as if they were slick.

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Posted by old ben on 02-11-2012 02:17 PM:

i guess iam kidding myself but i will take a den over a slick anyday...and maybe they are the same .. at least you could give em a benifit of a doubt lol

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Posted by J.R on 02-11-2012 03:28 PM:

well if i had to choose one or the other i would choose my dog on a den tree , rather then quiting tracks . thats a huge fault

Posted by Rip on 02-11-2012 04:12 PM:

Depends on where you are at and what time of year etc.

Some places I hunt it's rare to tree a den tree cause there ain't any den trees. Those coons den in the ground and you will run a few in the ground each night. But, when you make a tree it will be on the outside. Just the way it is.

Another place I hunt is full of den trees, never put a coon in the ground there but it seems like every other tree in the woods is a den. You know goin in that you are likely to tree in a den unless you happen to turn on it red hot.

Then other woods seems to produce coon on the outside almost every drop cause there are a normal number of dens and the coon don't den in the ground there.

Alot of it is a product of what the woods you are hunting in holds.

As for dens bein slick, I would say they are just slightly better than whatever the hounds usual average is LOL.

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Posted by thewalkerman on 02-11-2012 06:42 PM:

dens

some dogs want even tree on a den tree unless the track is on is on fire if you dont want to be disapointed dont pack a chain saw becuase i`ve tried that 85 percent of it is the backtracking dogs they hit a track dont have enough sense to turn around they just make a tree dogs dont get to run enough tracks anymore to learn to run a track really just my opion thou doest really mean anything LOL

Posted by steve pickett on 02-11-2012 08:41 PM:

AROUND HERE MOST OF OUR COONS LIVE IN THE GROUND,ALOT OF DEN TREES HAVE BEEN CUT BY LOGGERS FOR WOOD CHIPS.

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Posted by larry ross on 03-07-2012 04:24 PM:

TO MANY DENS TO MUCH BACK TRACKING

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Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-07-2012 04:34 PM:

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I have noticed plenty of dogs seem to get a their share of "dens"...IMO over 80% are empty.

The best dog I ever had treed very few "dens".

I agree 100 %

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-07-2012 04:38 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
If a man don't make a den this week in north ga with the full moon and rut wide open. He ain't got no dens on his places

Thats the thing about it Michael. I know your partial to walkers and i owned a COONDOG that was a walker and he won some casts and we had some fun ! But Up until about 2 years ago I could take this old bluetick female out on any given night at all and I would see a coon almost all the time. Not a den. Even on WMA land on a bright full moon night in mid january or febuary. She treed about 4 dens a year. average.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 03-07-2012 04:42 PM:

SHe didnt track coons like most dogs do. SHe winded them in the air. If she didn't actually smell the coon itself she did not tree there. A dog that doesn't have to rely on coon scent on the trunk of the tree will be way way more accurate than other dogs. They will also get minused in hunts for supposedly being "back on track" because they are sitting on their butt 30 or 40 feet from the base of the tree between two trees stareing straight up at the coon.

Posted by on 03-07-2012 06:00 PM:

My gyp treed a total of 4 dens this winter.

Posted by smokin-1-mo on 03-07-2012 07:25 PM:

MADE A FEW DENS THIS WEEK AND TREED SOME COON...NOT CONVINCED MY DOG WAS BACK TRACKING...I DONT THINK THE SOWS ARE GETTING TO FAR FROM TREES RIGHT NOW I THINK THEY ARE FIXIN TO HAVE LITTLE ONES....

Posted by josh on 03-07-2012 07:31 PM:

I dont think its always backtracking.

Around here most coon live in the rock bluffs, its common for dogs that arent used to this to get hung up at these holes that wreak of coon.

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Posted by K. Singletary on 03-07-2012 08:15 PM:

I've seen way too many coons in den trees to believe that 80% of them are slick. It may depend on where you are hunting, but den trees are quite common here and seeing a coon in a den is also quite common.

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Posted by Hunt2472000 on 03-07-2012 10:03 PM:

I would believe 80% of dens are slick if I was hunting a walker. Lol jmo

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