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Posted by Oak Ridge on 01-03-2012 02:54 PM:

Question about Lights.....

I've often wondered how light makers distinguish themselves from every other light out there....

What makes you decide to buy one light package over the other.... Please be SPECIFIC.

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Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 01-03-2012 03:29 PM:

I base my purchase on my needs. For example I need a light weight and prefer cordless light. Secondly I think about customer service. When something happens to my light how does the supplier respond, what is the turn around time.. Thirdly is price. I want value for my dollar!
Thats why I use CRYSTAL Lights. Ken has been a friend for 20+ years. He treats me right with service and his products fit my physical needs. They are priced right and give good value for money spent.

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Posted by Virgil on 01-03-2012 04:40 PM:

I bought the G2 head I have now strictly because of the good reviews the K-Light gets for customer service and how they warranty their products.

The last light we purchased before this one was a Valley Creek belt light and Blazer Pro Head for my papaw. We bought it because it was on sale and for 219.99$ it was hard to pass up, especially since the head alone was selling for 200$ at the time.

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Posted by okietreedog on 01-03-2012 04:56 PM:

service after the sale, you can not beat valley creek, call redgy he will treat you right.

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Posted by Dwils on 01-03-2012 05:05 PM:

It really makes no difference to me. They are all the same if ya ask me. Whatever one I win at a hunt or get in some deal is what I use....i do have a G2 head I like and Mr.Kelly is a good guy that will fix anything he builds

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Posted by Flatcreek Hunte on 01-03-2012 05:08 PM:

When I was looking around for a light, I kept hearing about how good the customer service was with K-light. While I was looking into them and other lights, I kept hearing that the same guy has built the battery packs for other lights as well. So, I took a gamble with them and have been pleased since. Customer service is great along with the warranty. Would purchase again.

Posted by old ben on 01-03-2012 08:48 PM:

i think you get what you pay for..i want someone i can drive to,, talk face to face .that helps customer service..i have bought light by ups but in reality its a gamble imo

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Posted by chris simmons on 01-03-2012 11:52 PM:

I have a superior light and love it.

Sam Davis will stand behind his lights....

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Posted by Castor Kidd on 01-04-2012 01:34 AM:

Laser Torch Pro. Bobby Barber is one of the pioneers of the light industry. Best light I've ever used in 45 years of hunting, period. This will be the best $260 you ever spent on coon hunting. You have 30 days money back guarantee and 2 years bumper to bumper. If you don't like in 30 days send it back and get your money back. You won't send it back I bet on that.

Posted by GLANCY'S 7 MILE on 01-04-2012 02:52 AM:

Between, my dad, my brother and myself. We have a 21V Valley Creek Belt light, a 21V Bright Eyes Belt Light, a 21V River Kennel Box light, and a East Fork Widow Maker Cap Light. All the 21 volt lights that we have are about the same, plenty bright enough, good battery life, and not to heavy, and the East Fork Cap Light, is plenty bright enough, light weight, and has a good battery life as well, but it is just used for back up, or when I don't feel like wearing a belt light. Never had any problems with any of them, and all can easily find a coon (If they are in the tree LOL). Lights now a days are pretty nice and priced accordingly, but the next light I buy will be the Crystal CS-6. Super Bright, very light weight, great battery life, great service, and very affordable at around $125.

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Posted by Glenn Wells on 01-04-2012 04:32 AM:

The Crystal CS-6 is a good light, has a tight spot that will reach a ways ! The halo makes a good walking light, no matter where the switch is set. Now it does take getting used too if you have packed a D cell Bandit boxlight for years, as it is lightweight . I had found Ken's site while trying to fix a friend's original Crystal beltlight, he gave me the info to get it repowered and wired right. After fixing it and testing to be sure I had it right, I decided to try the new one and love it . I can burn it about 2 weeks before it starts going down, with the car charger if you're not sure how much charge is left, just plug it in for a couple hours it will give at least 5 hours burning time.

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Posted by l.lyle on 01-04-2012 05:45 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by old ben
i think you get what you pay for..i want someone i can drive to,, talk face to face .that helps customer service..i have bought light by ups but in reality its a gamble imo

That's why I bought a Bright Eyes. I had for years hunted with 6V Nite Lites and no complaints because they were so much better than buying batteries in a flashlight I was used to. But I had to conserve the charge. Then it got to where I was using two of them to hunt one night and i try to quit by 1AM if not before. I then traded for a worn out 12V Sunburst and rebuilt it and like to got shot by a cop when I stepped out of the truck wearing that getup shortly after 911 (he thought I was a Honkie suicide bomber) . The Brighteyes man sold me a little battery pack one at the Grand American supposed to last all night on low. Next year i took it back and said it will not make all night. He turned it on and said "don't you hear that ring? I said No, that must be the same frequency my ears ring at. He said you run it on High". Anyway, I said that won't do, I need something to last all night if I ever need it". He sold me a Dominator , I mean you got to be a man to tote that and he gave me full credit for the light I had used for a year already. He would not sell me a spotlight to go with it because he said the regular head was brighter than most spotlights and I bought it. Directly it blew a fuse and I could not find the extra that came with it in my pouch so I wrapped some foil from the inside of Beechnut pack around it and got out the woods. I called the number and the elderly lady told me how much for a fuse and I said it is gonna be in the mail to you cash ( cause i don't mess with credit cards or bank checks). Not the next but the next day the fuse was in my mailbox, probably before she even got my money. Now I don't expect anybody to do business without "cash in hand" because I own my own business also. But I do it all the time just because I want to see if the "check really is in the mail". I have never yet blew out a bulb and it doesn't matter because I have three of the extras in my pack belt. Any way, last year I bought a whatever aluminum Led light they sell for @$200 , thinking to myself I must be steupid cause the technology will catch up quick on this. Anyway I lefft my old 5700 head off and tried to get used to LED, meanwhile, my buddie's little truck was about stuck . I pushed and with him rocking up and back, like a dummy, my new head fell under the rear tire and it grabbed a holt and got him out and never even messed up the led head other than snatching the guitar plug out of my battery pack thank goodness instead of me too.
The led head gets so much more shining time than the 57 I Think I am going to try to work out a deal on my old Dominator this week end at the Grand American. I have hunted with folks that have the selfcontained headlights but it reminds me of the the days of the BlackandDecker rechargeable SpotLighter. LOL, Ya'll remember them???? Good lights for what they were good for.

Posted by CWT on 01-04-2012 10:30 AM:

Star hunting lights is all I ever used. Started with the 12v box light had a a problem with the switch and I sent it back I had it back with in three days. Now I have both of his caplights and love both of them. Very bright and comfortable. Never had one problem with them. But I would have to say brightness and customer service are very important in my book.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 01-04-2012 12:49 PM:

Thanks for the responses guys....

I really wasn't looking for what brand of light do you buy, more along the lines of what FEATURES are important to you when shopping for a light....

I think we can all agree on:

1. Price
2. Service after the sale

What else am I missing?

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Posted by old ben on 01-04-2012 01:09 PM:

quality and maybe been in business more than a week

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Posted by plentyofpossum on 01-04-2012 02:27 PM:

Well for the most part even features are the same. 21v is 21v no matter how you slice it. Heads may differ and looks but they are basically all the same.

To me it is warranty and service. A long warranty lets me know the builder is confident in his products and work. Also knowing my name as I walk in the door and chewing the fat while watching a light being built. Is something these guys on the internet cannot duplicate.

Posted by GA DAWG on 01-04-2012 04:02 PM:

My brighteyes is less than 2. Been back 2 times. Now they fixed it but didn't do as they claimed last time. I shouldn't have to remind a man. I'll never own another even though its a great light.

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 01-04-2012 04:14 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
My brighteyes is less than 2. Been back 2 times. Now they fixed it but didn't do as they claimed last time. I shouldn't have to remind a man. I'll never own another even though its a great light.

I own the Bright eyes exclusively. Never had a problem. Service is great. Price is in line with the industry average. What separates the Bright Eyes from the pack? Engineering. Materials used. When you expect a top quality light, top quality materials must be used, and many hours of thought and testing has to go into the product. I see that in the Bright Eyes lights. Every one i have ever bought has it built in. The longevity of the product shows it. Sure, this is just my experience, and we all have them. As you can see from the quote above, sometimes things happen with man made materials that causes problems. Apparently, it is fixed now! As for the reminding, I reckon we all have the perfect memory, and i'm sure that Bright Eyes only talked to Micheal. Yes, sometimes we all need the reminders. As for me, I'll keep the bright eyes for as long as they are in business, and continue to treat me right, which they have. Now if someone will just remind me where i put the TV remote..

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-04-2012 04:25 PM:

I think people rave to much about lights. lol I had an eagle 2+2 and it was a dependable bright light but it was big and bulky/heavy.

Now I have a western rivers 21 volt and its an okay light. Bought the G2 head and sent it back two days later.

LED lights are completly worthless for shinning a huge tree if a coon is at the top. I don't care what anyone says I have seen over 4 led heads and my spot on my 21 volt will burn a hole through any of them. that white beam doesn NOT show any facors when it comes to color of fur. The coons fur will be the same colr as the bark on the tree when shinning.

LED lights are good for 2 things battery life and no bulbs. Anything beyond that they are worthless.

I think just about any 17-28 volt belt light will get the job done. The only thing I have seen in alot of 5100 heads is blown bulbs. However it is usually the owners fault for not warming up the bulb before turnning it to high.

Posted by Tyler Vaden on 01-04-2012 05:12 PM:

Quality if it is not build to last to start with why would you buy it.

Features if it does not have a good swicth (one I like) or have a pop cover or a Cats eye what good would it be. Other Features you may want spot light or spot light jack, walk light, belt, box, and ect..

Now that I have Quality and the Features next is Warranty and who is behind it.

Now most light builders will let you use the light for 30 days if you don't like it send it back put it to the test in the 1st 30days.

Posted by Jason Baldwin on 01-04-2012 05:44 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I think people rave to much about lights. lol I had an eagle 2+2 and it was a dependable bright light but it was big and bulky/heavy.

Now I have a western rivers 21 volt and its an okay light. Bought the G2 head and sent it back two days later.

LED lights are completly worthless for shinning a huge tree if a coon is at the top. I don't care what anyone says I have seen over 4 led heads and my spot on my 21 volt will burn a hole through any of them. that white beam doesn NOT show any facors when it comes to color of fur. The coons fur will be the same colr as the bark on the tree when shinning.

LED lights are good for 2 things battery life and no bulbs. Anything beyond that they are worthless.

I think just about any 17-28 volt belt light will get the job done. The only thing I have seen in alot of 5100 heads is blown bulbs. However it is usually the owners fault for not warming up the bulb before turnning it to high.

I'm glad someone else noticed the same thing i been noticing with LED lights. Thats what I use and you are right. THey are bright and shine a long way but the colors dont show right. THe coon fur and the tree bark look nearly exactly the same. The regular lights show the coon fur.

Posted by GA DAWG on 01-04-2012 06:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Baldwin
I'm glad someone else noticed the same thing i been noticing with LED lights. Thats what I use and you are right. THey are bright and shine a long way but the colors dont show right. THe coon fur and the tree bark look nearly exactly the same. The regular lights show the coon fur.

Yall two must be kin lollol. I'll find any coon yall can tree in any size tree with mine. I have heard what yall are saying. Must be difference in people eyes or something.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 01-04-2012 06:34 PM:

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
Yall two must be kin lollol. I'll find any coon yall can tree in any size tree with mine. I have heard what yall are saying. Must be difference in people eyes or something.

I don't know. I have talked to several people that notice the same thing. The LED light not not show colors well at all.

Do me a favor try to shie a big leafy tree with a led head under a full moon. LEDs are utterly worthless in a full moon because the beam counter reacts with the white color of the moon.

Posted by RHK on 01-04-2012 06:43 PM:

i dont like the leds either. to hard to spot a coon like the other guys said. i have owned a lot of lights, a couple bright eyes and ill never own another. i had the 28 volt belt and box light. they are ok if you like carrying a pocket full of extra bulbs. i switched to a blazer tiny 21 and ill never buy a different brand of light. ive hunted it 6 months now and never blown a bulb. its priced well and has a 3 year warranty. cant beat it. dependability is numer 1 handsdown.

Posted by tsbtater on 01-04-2012 07:25 PM:

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Originally posted by Hoosier Man1
I don't know. I have talked to several people that notice the same thing. The LED light not not show colors well at all.

Do me a favor try to shie a big leafy tree with a led head under a full moon. LEDs are utterly worthless in a full moon because the beam counter reacts with the white color of the moon.

Big 10-4. Count me in that category. Bought a recognized brand of LED belt light last year. Catches eyes pretty good if they look, otherwise better have a hand spot light attached. Basically I ended up with a real nice walking light and use the hand spot to shine trees.

Only downside of this arrangement is the spot light drains the battery at a high rate so I lose the benefit of LED's having greater battery life..... Lesson learned.....give me a 5100 head and a handful of bulbs.

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