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Posted by Royal_BlueHound on 12-24-2011 07:45 PM:

Location, location, location

Does anyone know places to coon hunt in the Eastern Ohio area?

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Posted by whiskey1117 on 12-25-2011 01:21 AM:

Where u at in Ohio

Posted by l.lyle on 12-25-2011 05:27 AM:

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I live in west PA but I have had luck getting new places(farms) to hunt in unfamiliar areas by looking at ariel photos (google maps) and locating farms. I then clean up my vehicle and MYSELF, and drive to the farm when they are not eating diner and ask permission. It also helps to take a pre-typed written permission slip to the landowner stating what,when, and how you will be hunting. I haven't run into a farmer yet that won't let me hunt. I am sure I will at some point but I have had good luck doing this. You gotta plan ahead. It can happen, but doing all this during the season is a little too late.

All of that is good ideas. Like they say, polish the heels of your shoes in case you get turned down you will leave a good impression as you walk away. You can always and should ask again later. Two of my places are "absentee" landowners. Their old Family land. They usually call me up during the holidays and ask me to take the Grands coon hunting. I'm always glad for the company. They lease out the deer hunting. The leasors raised some cane about me coon hunting. The deer hunters told me they like to have lost their lease.

I would suggest, if you have no relationship with them, it will be easier after deer season goes away if up there is like down here.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-25-2011 08:23 PM:

We lucked out here. They took off the deal about haveing to have wrighten permission for a year. I never even would ask for that becouse I wouldn't sighn one myself. If they give you wrighten they can't kick you off if you abuse the right.
They did pass the law that says we can't go get our dogs if we don't have permission. It doesn't bother me but the farmers aren't likeing it. They can't go get there cow when it gets on there neighbor.

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Posted by Royal_BlueHound on 12-26-2011 03:07 PM:

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Originally posted by whiskey1117
Where u at in Ohio

Unfortunately I live in Youngstown, Ohio for the moment.

Thank you for the great advice, we have been checking with farmers since before deer season (we hunt deer as well). We will be getting more serious about asking the farmers! We also would like hunting partners that dont mind a young pup to tag along to help her learn her game!

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Posted by l.lyle on 12-27-2011 04:44 AM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
We lucked out here. They took off the deal about haveing to have wrighten permission for a year. I never even would ask for that becouse I wouldn't sighn one myself. If they give you wrighten they can't kick you off if you abuse the right.
They did pass the law that says we can't go get our dogs if we don't have permission. It doesn't bother me but the farmers aren't likeing it. They can't go get there cow when it gets on there neighbor.

I'm like you. I would not sign one for the kids hunting on my land while I am out hunting on somepody elses land with their OK,any more that I would think the places where I actually hunt is going to sign one. I am not a lawyer but I would hope laws are written PLAIN JANE enough for me to figure. I know a "leasor/ renter" has certain "new " rights. Rent your doghouse shack out to a bumb and he don't pay, then try and get him out. You likely do better just kikking his as up around his shoulders than messing withe the Legal System. Now, I do not tresspass period but if the places that I hunt I have a "gentlemans agreement to hunt and they were to ask me to sign a piece of paper saying that I would hunt with all the rights of a tresspasser, I probably would do it. A tresspasser has no rights, a bull gets him, tough sht, He falls off a bluff, tough sht., An inviteee has more to expect ; an Invited Doctor might be "invited" on a hogged down corn dove field. A hog cuts him and he can sue your pants off. That is the differece to me. I will relinguish all rights to have my person on their property if it protects them. The Lawmakers have that law backasswards. They must be from the city.LOL

In Law: google the terms , Invitee, Leasor, and Tresspasser and see what you ass er tain.

Posted by l.lyle on 12-27-2011 05:12 AM:

I don't fathom,think, ascertain,undertstand that part. A "right" cannot be abused. A "Privilege" can be abused. The state can grant a priviledge to drive on "their highways" in the form of a lisence.. They "took " the land and they paid in their heads, "full market value" and in their way of seeing , they now own it. That would be Constitutional Convention of whatever, A landowner can grant a permission to get your dog , Or he may not grant it. Or enter his land at all. A Floridah Deer hunter may asshume those priviledges wrongfully so. Remember the Renter thing? It applies. In other words, a lisence granted to hunt on State property is probably Constittional under the revisions of our Constitution, However the question remains that the State can control under the vestage of a "License" to hunt upon your property remains in question to me.

Who Owns it? Is it Public or Private ? And what constitutes Publc area versus Private? Private means it is all yours until the Govrnment decides to take YOUR PROPERTY / Land for For a "Higher" endeavor????.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-27-2011 05:57 AM:

A "right" cannot be abused. A "Privilege" can be abused. The state can grant a priviledge to drive on "their highways" in the form of a lisence.. They "took " the land and they paid in their heads, "full market value" and in their way of seeing , they now own it.

I know that is how they look at it but the way I see it driveing on our highway is a right. WE buy them WE pay to keep them up and WE should have the right till we abuse it. Then we should have the right taken away. Law enforcement thinks they own everything these days though or some do. Some still has respsct for the tax payers.

Posted by l.lyle on 12-27-2011 06:20 AM:

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Originally posted by Okie Dawg
A "right" cannot be abused. A "Privilege" can be abused. The state can grant a priviledge to drive on "their highways" in the form of a licence.. They "took " the land and they paid in their heads, "full market value" and in their way of seeing , they now own it.

I know that is how they look at it but the way I see it driveing on our highway is a right. WE buy them WE pay to keep them up and WE should have the right till we abuse it. Then we should have the right taken away. Law enforcement thinks they own everything these days though or some do. Some still has respsct for the tax payers.

You are RRRight . We bought them through our taxes paid. But it is not our Right. The Government grants a priviledge through a license. Do you ever want to Preach? Will you need a License granted by the State to preach the Word? Get Real. Is the deed to the road in OakieDawgs name? If It is not , then do not assume that it is . The Rivers and Harbors of Interstate Commerce , not roads and skreets,, Are they in your name? Yes , they are under the Constitution of the United States of America and also the Bill Of Rights granted under such Bill. Let's get it RRRight , Right? right or wrong let's quit with the deceptions provided by our Uncle Sam.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 12-27-2011 07:26 AM:

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Originally posted by l.lyle
You are RRRight . We bought them through our taxes paid. But it is not our Right. The Government grants a priviledge through a license. Do you ever want to Preach? Will you need a License granted by the State to preach the Word? Get Real. Is the deed to the road in OakieDawgs name? If It is not , then do not assume that it is . The Rivers and Harbors of Interstate Commerce , not roads and skreets,, Are they in your name? Yes , they are under the Constitution of the United States of America and also the Bill Of Rights granted under such Bill. Let's get it RRRight , Right? right or wrong let's quit with the deceptions provided by our Uncle Sam.

Yep we have the right to live, die and pay tax's. The only way we have the right to live and die is if we pay tax's. Got to love the free country of the USA. LMAO

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