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Posted by RBT on 11-15-2011 01:44 AM:

two year old won't hunt...after a great summer

season came in here on the 8th....I have hunted this two year old (turned so in August) hard since then. The last two hunts he does not seem to want to hunt after the first drop. On the second drop he just mills around....he may go hunting after I walk him a ways...but even if he does he won't go far unless he strikes.
During the summer he was a ball of fire...not now. What do you guys think is going on?

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Posted by RBT on 11-15-2011 02:02 AM:

all you big time coonhunters..and no one has an opinion? I've got some ideas but wanted to know if any of you have dealt with the same deal....

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Posted by theo on 11-15-2011 02:10 AM:

young hound

he's still young so dont loose hope.hunt him with more dogs, and maybe show him a cage coon?.even try roading him if possible.you should definetley hunt him with broke dogs to start off.goodluck

Posted by II Chance on 11-15-2011 02:36 AM:

Re: two year old won't hunt...after a great summer

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Originally posted by RBT
season came in here on the 8th....I have hunted this two year old (turned so in August) hard since then. The last two hunts he does not seem to want to hunt after the first drop. On the second drop he just mills around....he may go hunting after I walk him a ways...but even if he does he won't go far unless he strikes.
During the summer he was a ball of fire...not now. What do you guys think is going on?

Do you have a leather lead strap. Never seen one that would not hunt for me after a week. Give the dog a light slap on the first turn loose and maybe more and more, he will eventually slip collar from your hand get'n in there, if you hunt every night.

Posted by Bluwalker on 11-15-2011 04:31 AM:

Some dogs will go through a lazy spell. I've kept on hunting them through it by walking them a little ways until they get going, usually they go but not always. It can definately be frustrating. If they dont hunt out after a few different spots I load the dog and put it back in the kennel, then try again a different night. What seems to help is what is most obvious, turn the dog loose down a cornfield row, fence row whatever is desirable for a dog to run along.

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Posted by dean jamerson on 11-15-2011 04:57 AM:

elichria, lymes , or possibly some other ailment, always rule out a medical condition or sickness first.

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Posted by Rocketman55 on 11-15-2011 05:13 AM:

Could be 100 different things but please bare with me as I probe a little more. Does this dog only fail to hunt when you take him to a competition hunt? Did you have a new hunting buddy that you have started hunting him with? Has he ever been hunted 20+ straight nights by himself. How does he hunt by himself? When did he start getting lazy? Usually cooler weather makes a dog a little more energetic and hunt harder.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 11-15-2011 05:42 AM:

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elichria, lymes , or possibly some other ailment, always rule out a medical condition or sickness first.

Yep I agree, they don't get lazy over night. Could allso be feed if you have c hanged it. Has he ever got whiped by a coon in the last little while?

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Posted by amazingcursouth on 11-15-2011 05:43 AM:

dogs go through many changes with age, i have seen this many times. its called puberty

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Posted by starplott on 11-15-2011 06:00 AM:

I've experienced this with a few bear dogs. Major culprit was hypoglycemia. Changed feeding schedule and put them on red cell for dogs and the dogs didn't have anymore issues.

One was 2, one 5, and one was 6. None were related or of same breed. Other hunters I've known have also had this issue over the years.

A couple friends had issues with dogs being worm infested.

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Posted by bridger80 on 11-15-2011 06:04 AM:

agree with there possibly being a medical issue.
how is he around the house / kennel

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Posted by starplott on 11-15-2011 06:54 AM:

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elichria, lymes , or possibly some other ailment, always rule out a medical condition or sickness first.

Usually with the tick illnesses there is MAJOR change. Especially with motor skills.

A gal who bought a pup from me moved to GA while her hubby was deployed. She didn't know about tick born illness and had a major problem. The pup had elichria, toxoplasmosis, and something else. She had thought she was poisoned.

It took almost a year for the dog to fully recover. It freaked her out as she was also pregnant with a 2 year old at home and the pup was a house dog. (not a hound)

Cocci is a protazoa that can cause subtle changes, usually comes w intermittent runny stool and/or straining to deficate without producing much or any output. It can be hard to diagnose, through cheap stool samples. To test you want to gather several pieces over a couple days of samples as an infected dog doesn't shed the ocysts all the time.

There are many things that could be contributing. I agree totally NOT to overlook health issues. Some dogs do go through odd phases, which I have also seen happen. Some bloodless are quite noted for flip flopping, late maturing, etc. In almost 30 years I have seen health issues more so than phases impacting a change in the dogs. I've had a lot of clients who have gone in for vet checks and came back with a clean bill of heath, yet narrow it down and send them back and it surprises me how many of the clean bills of health have turned into a diagnosis.

I really feel for the people who don't have much experience in health/behavior issues. The vets sure know how to charge up the wazzu and still not find anything. I sent one guy to the vets three times to check for inner ear infection. FINALLY, the 3rd time-2nd vet, he got the ear infection diagnosed. I saw the dog 2 weeks after treatment, totally different dog.

I'd say about 1/3 of my clients came to me for a behavioral problem and wound up with health issues creating the issues they came searching for a behaviorist to help them with. Almost all of them have been easy and cheap to treat, even inexpensive to diagnose if you know what you are looking for. If you don't, it can really add up letting the vets have free run.

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Posted by Lone Pine JB on 11-15-2011 01:29 PM:

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Originally posted by starplott
I've experienced this with a few bear dogs. Major culprit was hypoglycemia. Changed feeding schedule and put them on red cell for dogs and the dogs didn't have anymore issues.

One was 2, one 5, and one was 6. None were related or of same breed. Other hunters I've known have also had this issue over the years.

I had this happen with one. He just started getting lazy on me. Vet told me that his blood glucose was so low he should have been in a coma. I put him on a self-feeder and the problem was solved.

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Posted by starplott on 11-15-2011 01:40 PM:

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Originally posted by Lone Pine JB
I had this happen with one. He just started getting lazy on me. Vet told me that his blood glucose was so low he should have been in a coma. I put him on a self-feeder and the problem was solved.

That (glucose) and parasite infestation are the first two things I'd have checked. If he's hunting good first drop and ready to pack up and go home after that, it is usually a health issue. Especially if he wasn't showing such signs before.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 11-15-2011 01:47 PM:

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Originally posted by starplott
I've experienced this with a few bear dogs. Major culprit was hypoglycemia. Changed feeding schedule and put them on red cell for dogs and the dogs didn't have anymore issues.

One was 2, one 5, and one was 6. None were related or of same breed. Other hunters I've known have also had this issue over the years.

A couple friends had issues with dogs being worm infested.

Not to hi-jack the tread but hello Miss Star! Good to see you back and posting.

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Posted by Dale Young on 11-15-2011 04:50 PM:

You say you've hunted him hard since the 8th, last 7 days . Is that considerably harder than you were hunting him before ? You may have worn him down abit. Does he eat good and maybe a little extra when he's going every night and maybe longer nights ? Just things to think about. Dogs are like us , some can work hard 7 days aweek and some can't, at least not until they get legged up and tough. If he's been fighting coon on the ground it takes a little extra too .

Posted by critter on 11-15-2011 05:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Dale Young
You say you've hunted him hard since the 8th, last 7 days . Is that considerably harder than you were hunting him before ? You may have worn him down abit. Does he eat good and maybe a little extra when he's going every night and maybe longer nights ? Just things to think about. Dogs are like us , some can work hard 7 days aweek and some can't, at least not until they get legged up and tough. If he's been fighting coon on the ground it takes a little extra too .

Was going tosay the same thing but Dale beat me to it.Years ago i had as good a tree dog as i have ever owned to this day.Super summer pleasure dog same age as yours.He was a pathetic kill dog and i shot out very few summer coon to him.Kill season i started pouring out coon to him and in about a week he had virtually stoped treeing.Asked a knowledgeable buddy about what to do.He said stop shooting coon out to him,hes tired of getting whipped every nite.In a matter of a few days he was back hammering the tree.Just some personal experience.

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