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Posted by Billie Jo Henry on 11-10-2011 05:43 AM:

So what do you think... Joe an Penn St.

Personally, I think.... Joe knew what Jerry had did. An still allowed Jerry to be in his staff an on his sidelines. So I support the Penn St. board on firing him. But it is tough to see the KING of all college football coaches to end his legacy like this. But Joe should of fired him.... he had that power. What is your thought???

Posted by Billie Jo Henry on 11-10-2011 05:47 AM:

An may Nebraska whoop their a ¤*es this weekend.

Posted by Caseyhoutz on 11-10-2011 01:29 PM:

Re: So what do you think... Joe an Penn St.

quote:
Originally posted by Billie Jo Henry
Personally, I think.... Joe knew what Jerry had did. An still allowed Jerry to be in his staff an on his sidelines. So I support the Penn St. board on firing him. But it is tough to see the KING of all college football coaches to end his legacy like this. But Joe should of fired him.... he had that power. What is your thought???

You are telling the truth!! it's such a sick mess!!! and the board did right by firing Joe, It's so sad to see him go out like this, BUT when he did not report to the authorities what he was told then he was asking to get in trouble sooner or later!!!! there is a lot of people upset by this and rightfully so! I was told that the penn state football players were so shocked by this they don't even want to go out and play football!!! they had no idea! But it's just like a Bible Verse I know " be sure your sins will find you out" That pretty sums it all up!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Virgil on 11-10-2011 01:35 PM:

There will more people than Joe lose their job over this. Joe reported it to his superiors and they also failed to do anything. Joe Paterno was rightfully fired in my opinion.

If you read the grand jury report it makes it sound like the entire athletic department and coaching staff knew what was going on and nobody stepped up to stop it. They all need to be fired and replaced ASAP.

This is by far the worst scandal in the history of college sports and we are only getting the tip of the iceberg so far. Once it all comes out about how they covered up this mans crimes and continued to allow him access to campus and to hold youth football camps it will get really ugly in the media for PSU. As late as last week Sandusky was on campus and around the football team and this was over a year after the grand jury testimony.

This whole thing is just sickening what they let go on there.

What other college lets a known child rapist run loose on their campus and allow him to hold youth football camps there, and provide him with an office on campus which to work from.

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Posted by T Felderman on 11-10-2011 01:46 PM:

I'll stick up for Joe

Not known all the facts. I think Joe reported it to his boss, didnt he? Yes maybe he could have pushed the issue more. Realistically Penn State wanted him to retire as a head coach a couple years ago and this was a way to finally push him out.

Dont get me wrong what happened is a disgrace.

Posted by Virgil on 11-10-2011 01:56 PM:

Re: I'll stick up for Joe

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Originally posted by T Felderman
Not known all the facts. I think Joe reported it to his boss, didnt he? Yes maybe he could have pushed the issue more. Realistically Penn State wanted him to retire as a head coach a couple years ago and this was a way to finally push him out.

Dont get me wrong what happened is a disgrace.

Find the grand jury report online and read it, then come back and tell me you can still stick up for Joe. I would post on here what it says but this is a family message board that may be read by kids.

I'll put it this way if I were in Joe Paterno's position and it was reproted to me what was reported to have happened in that locker room there is no way I could sleep at night if all I did was report it to someone else in the athletic department. They would probably have been arresting me for whipping Sandasky a**.

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Posted by HOBO on 11-10-2011 03:48 PM:

Would you be sticking up for Joe if one of the boys had a been your son or nephew? I'm willing to bet your answer is NO!

I wanna know who he thought he was to come out and tell the board not to worry about me that I'll retire after this season.

I can tell ya right now if someone EVER does anthing like that to my grandson or my nephews and I find out one of us will be needing an undertaker REAL QUICK.

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Posted by starplott on 11-10-2011 04:10 PM:

If I was Joe's wife

They wouldn't have had ANY BODY to fire.

I have worked with sexually abused boys professionally for years. I am also a mandatory reporter.

What Joe did was criminal! People like him ought to be rotting in prison with the perp who do the deed as they are EQUALLY as dangerous to children AND society.

He is a mandatory reporter. We report to CPS and LE (law enforcement). You have to remember this is not a case where he saw a bruise and had suspicion of abuse. He saw a crime in progress against a child and failed to report it to the proper authorities. Instead he CHOSE to report it to admin and contribute to it being swept under the rug.

Too bad the statutes of limitation have ran out. I'd love to see him held accountable for his choice to allow children to be harmed. Getting fired is a pretty sweet deal for him. A lot of suffering needlessly went on to promote his career. A lot of boys suffered a great deal so he could stay on top, no pun intended.

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Posted by Caseyhoutz on 11-10-2011 05:26 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
Would you be sticking up for Joe if one of the boys had a been your son or nephew? I'm willing to bet your answer is NO!

I wanna know who he thought he was to come out and tell the board not to worry about me that I'll retire after this season.

I can tell ya right now if someone EVER does anthing like that to my grandson or my nephews and I find out one of us will be needing an undertaker REAL QUICK.

well said!!!

Posted by dbpro56 on 11-10-2011 05:30 PM:

Man, I could care less about Joe Pa! Just like his caring for those boys who were abused by that monster. That`s the real crux of the matter, is the innocence that was stolen from those kids! I also had an issue with those students out there rioting. The ones doing all the damage should have been hauled off to jail and kicked out of school!

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Posted by Buckshot on 11-10-2011 05:43 PM:

Re: If I was Joe's wife

quote:
Originally posted by starplott
You have to remember this is not a case where he saw a bruise and had suspicion of abuse. He saw a crime in progress against a child and failed to report it to the proper authorities. Instead he CHOSE to report it to admin and contribute to it being swept under the rug.

I think your a little off..............he did not see any crime.......The incident was scene by a GA that waited a day to talk with his daddy before going to Paterno.

Paterno then passed on the second info to his superior. I have read the Grand Jury Indictment and no where does it mention that Paterno "saw a crime in progress against a child"

Too bad in 1998 the police let Sandusky off with a "promise" not to shower with kids anymore.

What kills me is that the coach who witnessed the shower room incident, who didn't man up to stop it in progess, who waited a day to talk with his daddy on what to do, IS STILL ON THE COACHING STAFF.

Posted by Caseyhoutz on 11-10-2011 05:55 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dbpro56
Man, I could care less about Joe Pa! Just like his caring for those boys who were abused by that monster. That`s the real crux of the matter, is the innocence that was stolen from those kids! I also had an issue with those students out there rioting. The ones doing all the damage should have been hauled off to jail and kicked out of school!

You are right they should stop the rioting, those students should put themselves in the victims shoes an then see who they are supporting!

Posted by john Duemmer on 11-10-2011 06:04 PM:

They need to hunt down every idiot that turned a blind eye to this and let them spend some serious jail time with a cell mate named bubba.

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Posted by starplott on 11-10-2011 06:30 PM:

Oops, fingers got excited I was so pissed.

The coach who saw was equally accountable. They ALL are mandatory reporters. Sorry for not differentiating.

The point still stands...the crime was witnessed! Joe knew it was witnessed, and really is a moot point if it was by him or a coach who told him he witnessed it. He was responsible to report it to authorities, actually obligated by law just the same.

Like I stated, not like it was a bruise that left a lot to speculation. There was NO WAY there was any justifiable derailment of a conclusion one could have conjured up that it was anything else than what it was.

It doesn't matter where we send our kids (friends, family, work, school, college, church, daycare, etc) as it can be anywhere and people who offend are in every capacity.

We would have a lot less of them around our kids if people would get off their asses and stand up for the kids and what is right.

I grew up around apathetic people. 2 generations of children in my family suffered sexual abuse not only at the hands of the abuser, but because that bitch of a grandmother who turned her back and manipulated the victims so they felt they had no choice but to continue to be victims. (and people think it odd I have NOTHING to do with that woman and have no issue w dropping the 'C' word in her honor) Don't care how wealthy, prominent, or ranked my family is/was. That bitch can die on her mtn of money. I can only hope she is burried in it to save the family the trouble of planting her ass themselves.

Thank GOD the impact on me was NOT first hand. Thank God my friend's mom heard from my cousin and directly called LE, preventing it from happening to my neices (a 3rd generation) and exposed the family secret.

It blows me away that a little 10 year old girl hears about it at her slumber party and runs to her mom to report the abuse she heard IMMEDIATELY, but grown adults see this first hand and turn their backs, or pass the buck. Worse yet, the ADULTS who manipulate the victims to make them believe what is happening isn't what it is.

Victims can't talk and have no voice when there is more protection for the abusers. When people want to silence the victims making them suffer more in order to protect themselves or the abuser...they are no different in my eyes than the abuser, to be honest, I have more sympathy for the abusers than people like Joe and the coach who give these abusers a nice paved pathway. Joe might as well have served the kids to him on a plate.

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Posted by starplott on 11-10-2011 06:47 PM:

as for the rioting

Every one of those students rioting needs to be expelled. AFTER a public spanking by their parents and grandparents with a good ol fashioned hickory stick!

Those on financial aid need to pay it back. And NO refund for those who's parents paid. They should all be required to pay their parents back.

If one of my adult children were there pulling that crap they would find themselves drug home my their hair and a 70lb Malinois with an attitude equal to my level of fury over their inappropriate behavior.

I'd wear a black shirt with 'parent pissed at kid, K9 just pissed. Let us do our job' in white. I bet the poor cops wouldn't take a second look at what I was up to.

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Posted by H. L. Meyer on 11-10-2011 06:59 PM:

Buckshot

I have read a lot of your post and think you are spot on on a lot of your thinking. as far as this post you are correct on the the 1998 report the DA dropped the ball. as far as your other thoughts on this matter I disagree compleately Joe has only one option and that is to inform the athorities(his position demands this by law). Now we get into the he said she said part of the discussion, If joe had reported the conversation to the athorities then they have the responsibility to ironing out the he she said. NO SIR HE IS WRONG WRONG WRONG PERIOD WHEN YOU DO NOT DO WHAT IS RIGHT THEN YOU BECOME PART OF IT ALSO. we will never know exzactely the words Joe used to describe the incident therefore who cares he did not do the RIGHT THING now look at the mess he is in. SORRY HE#$@!^ NO not for him or anyone involved. CLEAN HOUSE AND HANG UM ALL AND HANG UM HIGH is what i say.

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Posted by Buckshot on 11-10-2011 07:14 PM:

H. L., I didn't state my opinion on what Paterno should have done.

The poster I had quoted said Paterno "saw a crime in progress against a child" and that was not how it happened, what I posted was who saw it and how it was reported.

You can disgree with it, LOL, but fact is that is how it happened -- not an opinion of who should of reported to who.

The last 2 paragraphs were my opinion.

Posted by perry co cooner on 11-10-2011 07:16 PM:

Re: If I was Joe's wife

quote:
Originally posted by starplott
They wouldn't have had ANY BODY to fire.

I have worked with sexually abused boys professionally for years. I am also a mandatory reporter.

What Joe did was criminal! People like him ought to be rotting in prison with the perp who do the deed as they are EQUALLY as dangerous to children AND society.

He is a mandatory reporter. We report to CPS and LE (law enforcement). You have to remember this is not a case where he saw a bruise and had suspicion of abuse. He saw a crime in progress against a child and failed to report it to the proper authorities. Instead he CHOSE to report it to admin and contribute to it being swept under the rug.

Too bad the statutes of limitation have ran out. I'd love to see him held accountable for his choice to allow children to be harmed. Getting fired is a pretty sweet deal for him. A lot of suffering needlessly went on to promote his career. A lot of boys suffered a great deal so he could stay on top, no pun intended.

You are an idiot..........Paterno didn't see anything happen Mike McQuery did. I hate people that run their mouths without even knowing what they are talking about. Yes Paterno deserved to be fired and certainly should have done a lot more but HE DID NOT see any crime being committed. Mike McQuery saw this happening not Paterno and walked away and told his dad and the next day told Paterno. Why didn't he call the cops? Why didn't he get fired?

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Posted by Buckshot on 11-10-2011 07:22 PM:

Perry, the Interim Coach announced today that McQuery is still on the coaching staff and will be on the sidelines this weekend. --------------Your right, why didn't he get fired.

Read today that McQuery's dad called him a "Tough Kid" (McQuery is 38) -- not too tough to be a 28 year old man and witness a 10 year old being raped and having to call daddy the next day.

Posted by perry co cooner on 11-10-2011 07:23 PM:

Starrplott

Also the Pennsylvania State Attorney General stated in a press conference that Paterno DID fulfil his legal obligation by reporting it to his supervisor. And although you're obviously very educated (except where facts are concerned) I have a feeling the state AG is a bit more knowledgable than you about legal matters. I have been a Paterno fan since I can remember and him not doing more is just terrible but I am tired of hearing know it all's like you running their pie holes because they hate Paterno.

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Posted by Hoosier Man1 on 11-10-2011 07:26 PM:

I'm afraid this sickening ordeal is just beginning. There are now "rumors" that the scum bag was actually selling young boys to the highest bidders.

Posted by perry co cooner on 11-10-2011 07:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Buckshot
Perry, the Interim Coach announced today that McQuery is still on the coaching staff and will be on the sidelines this weekend. --------------Your right, why didn't he get fired.

Read today that McQuery's dad called him a "Tough Kid" (McQuery is 38) -- not too tough to be a 28 year old man and witness a 10 year old being raped and having to call daddy the next day.

Not to metion McQueary is 6'5" 260 pounds and did NOTHING just left. Who would walk away without taking that kid with him straight to the hospital and called the police on the way there? I'm not sticking up for Paterno he needed to be fired immediately for not doing more to stop Sandusky.

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Posted by Joe Moore on 11-10-2011 09:45 PM:

I coudn't agree more, I dont care how big you are and in this case he was certainly big enough, you see this act in progress you go whoop that guys ass and take that kid with you. No JoePa and McQuery didnt personally rape any children but they knew enough to report it to the cops and be a man about it. This Sandusky guy is a sick man and I hope he gets more than what he deserves behind bars!

Posted by Jeff Cline on 11-10-2011 10:03 PM:

Joe

I agree with HOBO on this. I think that Joe should have went to the local police at the start and let the chips fall where they may with school big wigs. I do feel terrible for all the kids this happend to. I also feel sorry for all the players who dreamed of one day being good enough go play ball at Penn and for Joe. NOW I'M 56 YEARS OLD AND AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS COVERED UP AND MOVED THEIR PRIESTS FOR DOING THE SAME THING, MONEY TALKS AND BS WALKS. THANK YOU.
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Posted by blueticker on 11-10-2011 10:05 PM:

I have been employed with in the educational field for more than 30 years. You can't legally not report a know child abuse at any level as an educator. Joe made a big mistake. I have a cure for the other fella, it was the same cure they used years ago for cattle rustling.

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