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Posted by redrockgsd on 11-06-2011 03:48 AM:

Will UKC Consider?

Will UKC consider increasing the number of character's allowed in a dogs name to at least equal the number allowed by AKC? There are a lot more owner handlers coming over to UKC and if their dog is already named in AKC they are having to change their dogs name when registering UKC. Additionally, I am sure I am not the only one who is dual registering all my litters. It's inconsistent to have to have the same dog with two different names because of the difference in allowable characters/spaces. I would even pay extra for additional spaces just to keep my dogs named the same in both registries.
Please consider it UKC.

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Posted by wbigdarby on 11-06-2011 02:22 PM:

name changes

I would like to see that happen as well. It is hard to remember what I changed his name to in UKC. I agree many people are starting to switch over. The professional handlers are ruling the group and BIS rings. AKC is now going to offer a reserve BIS and they are dividing their group rings to 11. They are hoping that will help with their business dropping. UKC is about to get a lot of business. I really enjoy the UKC and I will probably do the same; I mean as far as registering litters both UKC and AKC. Anything to make it easier as far as dual registration for those of us that just enjoy showing the dogs.

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Posted by Lucky Rock APBT on 11-06-2011 08:03 PM:

I agree ..they just changed the ownership part ...

can we consider increasing the number of characters too ..

Thanks

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Posted by ZiffanyDogs on 11-06-2011 09:01 PM:

Yes to Longer Names!

I would be in favour of having the change to longer names. I had this situation with our youngest Tibetan Mastiff. In AKC she's registered as "Shanghai's Shes Not Just A Pretty Face" but this was too long for UKC. So, in UKC she's "Shanghai Not Justa Pretty Face." Mind you, I'm not showing much in AKC anymore (except in rally) but it does cause some confusion - and at my age, I get muddled quickly enough, thank you <G>. This is why I just refer to my dogs by their call names - she's Puki!

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Posted by goldkat on 11-07-2011 12:54 PM:

YUP, I agree, having a dog with different names is crap, esp. if you are advertising on your website. Come on UKC pleeeeeeease. :-)

Posted by flywire on 11-07-2011 04:32 PM:

Hitting the "like" button on this as well.

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Posted by Mahoney86 on 11-07-2011 06:59 PM:

Im all for adding to the characters as well

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Posted by starplott on 11-07-2011 07:38 PM:

irony

Wasn't that long ago it seemed we were in same boat w AKC only allowing 25, with max being 28 coming from UKC and what was coming from overseas that wouldn't fit AKC's 25/28.

The registries just need to agree to register names with no changes according to the primary registry. AKC doesn't allow the use of #'s, UKC does. If registering from an accepted registry...there should be no name changes allowed unless done across all registries and the receiving registry should accept the name as is on the original reg paperwork.

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Posted by yukidomari on 11-07-2011 11:00 PM:

When I single registered/transferred my dog who was originally registered with a country in the FCI, there were too many letters to fit onto the application so I dropped some spaces and abbreviated.

But when I got my UKC registration/pedigree it showed what was shown on the copy of the FCI pedigree I had mailed to them with the application, 'extra' letters and all, and I'm really glad for that..

Posted by catfood on 11-09-2011 04:27 AM:

Considering AKC went to 36 over 2

years ago (and up to 50 for an additional $10), I was disappointed to see that UKC did not follow suit. So as is, my UCH girl has a different name in UKC than AKC still... and at this rate, I'm afraid the next dog will also face the same issue.

Posted by fur2groom on 11-09-2011 01:34 PM:

Re: irony

quote:
Originally posted by starplott
AKC doesn't allow the use of #'s, UKC does.

Someone recently told me AKC is allowing #'s now.

Would love to see a breeder of merit program go in place too!

Posted by DoberTwink on 11-09-2011 04:55 PM:

"Like"

We need "Like" buttons on here! hahaha

I agree to a certain extent to most of these posts....I think there should be a limit because you know some of these names are already getting ridiculously long as it is haha But it would irritate the crap out of me to have 2 different names. Luckily, I have not had to deal with that so far....

I am all for increasing the spaces to a reasonable amount without going too crazy...

If you think about it, with the UKC's Total Dog philosophy, it's reasonable to believe that MANY dogs will have MANY titles, can you imagine if the name was already 50 spaces and then you try adding on a dozen titles?? Holy moly!!! Talk about space issues!

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Posted by TheresaPool on 11-10-2011 05:15 PM:

I was under the impression that if your dog was registered with another registry you are required to send a copy of those papers in when you dual register & they would use the name on the papers from the first registry.

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Posted by mjhearn on 11-10-2011 09:41 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TheresaPool
I was under the impression that if your dog was registered with another registry you are required to send a copy of those papers in when you dual register & they would use the name on the papers from the first registry.

No, they don't. They use the name you put on the application, which is limited to 30 characters. I'm guessing that if you didn't put a name on the application, they would either contact you about it, or use the first 30 characters of the name shown on the first registry's papers.

I just went through this with the puppy I registered with UKC last week. I had to shorten his AKC name by two characters for UKC, so I removed the " 's " from the kennel name. It's still obviously the same dog. UKC could care less what I changed his name to, as long as it meets their naming conventions.

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Posted by CannonBP on 11-10-2011 10:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TheresaPool
I was under the impression that if your dog was registered with another registry you are required to send a copy of those papers in when you dual register & they would use the name on the papers from the first registry.

As the previous poster noted, they don't. My first Picard was a French import, with a long kennel name that I had to shorten as best I could. He has 2 full siblings in North America that have completely different adaptations of the kennel name. Unless one was familiar with the French Picard breeders and their kennel names, you'd be hard pressed to know that my dog and the others were from the same breeder, let alone littermates/full siblings. I'd love to be able for my import dogs (should I get another--a strong possibility) to keep their original names.

Posted by redrockgsd on 11-11-2011 02:47 PM:

DoberTwink: It's not usually the titles on the name that make it long. Usually titles are not part of the registered name as far as on the paperwork, but kennel names are. Kennel names are part of the dog's lineage and can easily identify part of who the dog is and where they came from. When co-breeding a litter it's often a show of respect to try and incorporate both kennel names in the official names of puppies.

A Kennel name is kinda equivalent to the "last name" of people, except it's usually in the beginning of the name.

And some people have "themes" when naming puppies/dogs.
Names convey meaning, lineage, pride, creativity, and more.

So it's not that we can't fit "Fluffy II" into 30 spaces but does "Fluffy II " really convey anything about the dog? No. But if you have the name; "Lotsafur's Ima Fluffy One That's Gonna Shed II" (Okay, okay,,,it's early and I totally made that up so any relationship that I miraculously may have hit upon is totally unintentional!), it can say a lot about the dog such as it came from the kennel Lotsafur..and maybe it's a repeat breeding as signified by the II, and it gives personality..lol
Ok..yes I am going to get coffee now!

Won't you consider it UKC? If there is some formal procedure for the request, if you'll gladly point me in the proper direction I will draft up a formal proposal or request to be presented to an Exec Board pleading the case for more characters!

Posted by TheresaPool on 11-11-2011 11:59 PM:

WOW that dosen't seem right at all, for UKC to make folks change the name of a dog already registered with another registry.Like all of you have stated it sounds like the powers that be better be looking into this & making a change.

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Posted by 4blues on 11-12-2011 02:09 AM:

quote:
[i] (snip)

So it's not that we can't fit "Fluffy II" into 30 spaces but does "Fluffy II " really convey anything about the dog? No. But if you have the name; "Lotsafur's Ima Fluffy One That's Gonna Shed II" ! (snip) [/B]

Can I use that name? LOL

I think that it would definitely fit my Sheltie that we already call "Fluff Butt."

Posted by redrockgsd on 11-12-2011 03:08 AM:

LOL...why sure 4Blues! LOL...be my guest...but you know I'm going to bust out laughing if I ever see that particular name around! HAHAHA

Posted by georgef072007 on 11-20-2011 02:37 PM:

From the coon hunters point of view, I can't stand long names on dogs. I have to write it on entry slips and thats just too much work. Maybe thats just being lazy. but I have to go to the dogs where ever they may tree for two hours during the hunt and anything that adds work to that has to go. Also, the dogs names that I choose, do come from the dogs personalities as a general rule.

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Posted by jojo22 on 11-20-2011 02:49 PM:

We have dogs with long names, we simply filled out an entry form, leaving blank all the info that changes such as host club, date. blah blah blah, and copied it. May cut some "work" off for you as well.

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Posted by Tarascon on 11-20-2011 02:59 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by georgef072007
From the coon hunters point of view, I can't stand long names on dogs. I have to write it on entry slips and thats just too much work. Maybe thats just being lazy. but I have to go to the dogs where ever they may tree for two hours during the hunt and anything that adds work to that has to go. Also, the dogs names that I choose, do come from the dogs personalities as a general rule.

Wow! A person after my own heart! George, my terriers have a kennel name and one other name. They name themselves. And they are called by that name. It's worked for me for twenty-five years.

I don't want to be filling out a long name on paperwork, either. I don't see it as being lazy, I just have better things to do.

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