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Help Who Is Liable ?????

I recently bought 4 puppies, one in Bristol Tennessee, One Athens Tennessee and 2 in Alabama.

All 4 were 8 weeks old and within 2 days of each other being the same age.

I paid a man to pick these puppys up for me, he left my house on friday morning and returned sunday morning.

The puppy from Bristol had had one 7 way vac, the one from athen had one vac and the two littermates from alabama had none.

The man picked the first puppy up in bristol on friday afternoon and picked the 2nd puppy up friday evening then went on to alabama to and spent the night in a motel.

Saturday morning he picked up the two littermates in alabama and headed north, at his first stop two hours later he noticed that one of the littermates from alabama was lathargic and vomiting and continued to vomit the entire trip.

He made it to within 4 hours of home saturday night and spent the night in a motel and came on in sunday morning, when he arrived with the puppys the one littermate from alabama was weak and sick, thinking that it might just be car sick we took care of them in a normal fashion.

By late suday evening the sick one got worse so I brought it in the house and before dark it began to pass blood and by monday morning it was dead.

The other three were fine until the following thursday, thursday morning the 2nd littermate was dead and the too from tennessee went from healthy on wenesday to sick thursday morning.

So I grabbed the two that was left and rushed them to the vet, the vet said parvo hooked them up and kept them, the 3rd puppy died friday and the forth died sunday.

I called the man in alabama a week later and the littermate he kept had died from same symptoms. The two puppys from tennesse had never made contact with the puppy the man had left in alabama which also died

I am out of pocket a total of 1,400 dollars, I had to clean and dis infect my kennels and my vet says that my soil and kennels could be contaminated for years

WHO IS LIABLE ??????????

4 dead puppys a weekend wasted contamination of my farm and kennels and out of pocket $$$1,400.00

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SOUNDS LIKE IT ALL STARTED IN ALABAMA TO ME.

THE 2 PUPS FROM TENNESSEE DIDNT HAVE CONTACT WITH THE ONE LEFT IN ALABAMA BUT THEY DID WITH THE 2 LITTERMATES THAT DIED.

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sad situation and yes the area those pups have touched could be contaminated for the next 7 years. But, i dont think you could hold anyone liable because you obviously knew the pups from bama hadnt had any shots. There is a good possibility the other pups hadnt had there shots either being that they caught the parvo. You may possibly get the breeders that you purchased the pups from offer you a free pup from next breeding. Just tell them to give shots at 5 weeks old and another at 7 weeks and you should be fine...

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I dont see where anyone was really neglegent or deceitful.

Bad situation...Live and learn.

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sounds like a hard lesson learned. I would have never bought 8 week old pups that were not vaccinated. Why would you buy pups from someone that don't care enough to properly vaccinate the pups.

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Originally posted by brandonf
sad situation and yes the area those pups have touched could be contaminated for the next 7 years. But, i dont think you could hold anyone liable because you obviously knew the pups from bama hadnt had any shots. There is a good possibility the other pups hadnt had there shots either being that they caught the parvo. You may possibly get the breeders that you purchased the pups from offer you a free pup from next breeding. Just tell them to give shots at 5 weeks old and another at 7 weeks and you should be fine...

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YA RIGHT

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Originally posted by josh
I dont see where anyone was really neglegent or deceitful.

Bad situation...Live and learn.

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west central indiana 812-327-8224

YOUR RIGHT JACK

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Originally posted by Jack Bingham
sounds like a hard lesson learned. I would have never bought 8 week old pups that were not vaccinated. Why would you buy pups from someone that don't care enough to properly vaccinate the pups.

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Re: YA RIGHT

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Originally posted by coondogman
YOU WOULD THINK DIFFERENT IF YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SPENT 1,400.00

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Originally posted by truly
Maybe you need to loose thousands more before you learn your lesson? Every dog, every pup, every hunt in the coonhound world is a gamble. You can buy a $5000 finished hound and have it get hit on a road the first night of hunting. You can buy an expensive gyp to use for breeding and find out she can never have pups. You can buy 4 pups and have them die during delivery. Or maybe they live and you put one year of training into them, find a keeper, cull the rest, and next thing you know the keeper turns into a fighter and you have to cull him too! I think Josh is right- no one was negligent or deceitful, the coondog world is a big gamble. Be smarter next time, or learn to accept the risks of using lowcost houndhaulers and buying pups sight unseen. Back to your original question- you are liable.

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Wow...

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Originally posted by coondogman
I recently bought 4 puppies, one in Bristol Tennessee, One Athens Tennessee and 2 in Alabama.

All 4 were 8 weeks old and within 2 days of each other being the same age.

I paid a man to pick these puppys up for me, he left my house on friday morning and returned sunday morning.

The puppy from Bristol had had one 7 way vac, the one from athen had one vac and the two littermates from alabama had none.

The man picked the first puppy up in bristol on friday afternoon and picked the 2nd puppy up friday evening then went on to alabama to and spent the night in a motel.

Saturday morning he picked up the two littermates in alabama and headed north, at his first stop two hours later he noticed that one of the littermates from alabama was lathargic and vomiting and continued to vomit the entire trip.

He made it to within 4 hours of home saturday night and spent the night in a motel and came on in sunday morning, when he arrived with the puppys the one littermate from alabama was weak and sick, thinking that it might just be car sick we took care of them in a normal fashion.

By late suday evening the sick one got worse so I brought it in the house and before dark it began to pass blood and by monday morning it was dead.

The other three were fine until the following thursday, thursday morning the 2nd littermate was dead and the too from tennessee went from healthy on wenesday to sick thursday morning.

So I grabbed the two that was left and rushed them to the vet, the vet said parvo hooked them up and kept them, the 3rd puppy died friday and the forth died sunday.

I called the man in alabama a week later and the littermate he kept had died from same symptoms. The two puppys from tennesse had never made contact with the puppy the man had left in alabama which also died

I am out of pocket a total of 1,400 dollars, I had to clean and dis infect my kennels and my vet says that my soil and kennels could be contaminated for years

WHO IS LIABLE ??????????

4 dead puppys a weekend wasted contamination of my farm and kennels and out of pocket $$$1,400.00

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ok, all fighting aside.
the man is out alot of money for the pups.
breeder should be responsible for vaccinating pups and maintaining their health from point of birth to sale. that is responsibility of being a breeder. if you cant do that, dont breed any more dogs.
dog hauler, should and very well be familiar with any and all dog sicknesses that can happen. did he separate the sick pups? did he disinfect his dog boxes before hauling anything new? the parvo might not have come from the breeder but it sounds like it did. did he haul them all together in one box?? separate pick ups like that i would think, need special consideration to situations like this. and why, if he knew he had a real sick pup, did he stop 4 hours from you and not continue on or agree to meet at a half way 911 spot for you so you could have got that pup to a vet a little sooner, all of them???
i do believe also, you should have made sure they were all vaccinated.
i believe all were at fault, the breeder mostly.
sorry about your situation.
kelley

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There's no telling where the parvo came from. Even though some of the pups didn't have any interaction the hauler had contact with all 4 litters. Also one vaccination on an 8 WO pup doesn't give it very much immunity add the stress of travel and seperation and they are lible to come down with almost anything.
always keep a thermometer on hand taking a temp at the first sign of illnes can give you a big clue as to what's going on. Beside all the vomiting and diarrhea parvo will burn a pup up.

BREEDERS, IF ANY KIND OF PEOPLE THEY WOULD REPLACE OR REFUND.

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Originally posted by chadf
There's no telling where the parvo came from. Even though some of the pups didn't have any interaction the hauler had contact with all 4 litters. Also one vaccination on an 8 WO pup doesn't give it very much immunity add the stress of travel and seperation and they are lible to come down with almost anything.
always keep a thermometer on hand taking a temp at the first sign of illnes can give you a big clue as to what's going on. Beside all the vomiting and diarrhea parvo will burn a pup up.

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THE HAULER

IS A MAN THAT HAS WORKED FOR ME FOR THE PAST 12 YEARS,HE WAS DRIVING HIS OWN TRUCK AND USING A TRANPORT KENNEL OF MINE.

THERE IS ONLY ONE PLACE THAT THIS VIRUS COULD HAVE CAME FROM.

HE ASSUMED THAT THE PUPPY WAS CAR SICK, THE !ST PUPPY WAS PASSING BLOOD IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS OF PICKING IT UP.

AND DEAD IN LESS THAN 48 HOURS.

THE LITTERMATE TO THE 1st PUPPY NEVER CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE OTHERS AT ALL, IT STAYED AT THE BREEDER AND DIED WITH THE SAME SYMPTOMS.

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I will not get into who is libel, but I would go and get a gallon of DC&R disinfectant. Spray your kennels and everything the pups came in contact with. I would do it twice just to make sure. I got it at a vet supply house. It will kill the Parvo virus. Good luck.

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Larry, in my humble opinion, since you asked, each breeder should be resposible for the health of their pup for a week. I would expect them to refund the purchase price of the pup/pups that they sold. The breeder of the pups from Athens and Bristol could argue that their pups did not have Parvo when they left, but you could argue that they should not have contracted it if vaccinated properly. The guy from Alabama was for sure responsible for the health of his pups but I doubt that you could convince him that he was resposible for the death of anyone elses pups. I doubt that you would convince anyone that they were resposible for your hauling costs although you could certainly argue that. As with any arguement there is always at least 2 different sides or you would not have an arguement. Spray your kennel with a 50/50 mixture of Clorox bleach/water. Spray the ground also. It will kill the Parvo virus. Parvo is nasty. Even if you vaccinate the pups, they may still get it. The latest literature now says that it is better to wait until after 8 weeks to vaccinate pups. They say that if the mother has been vaccinated, the pups should have a natural immunity from her. If you vaccinate before 8 weeks, you knock out this immunity. There is a virus with the same symptoms as Parvo but the vaccination does not help against. I once took several pups and a couple of young dogs to a major hunt to sell. They had all been vaccinated. I only sold one and brought the rest back home. One week later I had lost 9 pups out of 2 different litters and one 10 mos old. I was heartbroken. I realize that this is closing the barn door after the horses are out, but it is a whole lot better to pick up pups after they are 10-12 weeks old. They are stronger and their resistance is better. They can handle the stress of hauling a lot better and the incidence of Parvo is a lot less. Sorry to hear that you lost all of those pups. I know that they would have been some nice ones.

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Disinfect every thind with Pinesol & clorox

Odoban will also kill the virus, you can buy it bulk for cheap at Sam's Club.

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Originally posted by chadf
There's no telling where the parvo came from. Even though some of the pups didn't have any interaction the hauler had contact with all 4 litters. Also one vaccination on an 8 WO pup doesn't give it very much immunity add the stress of travel and seperation and they are lible to come down with almost anything.
always keep a thermometer on hand taking a temp at the first sign of illnes can give you a big clue as to what's going on. Beside all the vomiting and diarrhea parvo will burn a pup up.

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Never the Less If Exposed to Parvo a Pup will get it !! period !!

It takes nearly 40 days to even begain to build a Titer after the vaccination ..

From the time a pup is weened till they build their own restance take time and at the rate Parvo is Moving this year Pups should not be exposed at all till their nearly 14 weeks old and at least 2 shots behind them ..

As far a Liability Goes "If you know for sure the Al. Breeder was the source Then he is Liable" and should reinburse all for the misshap !!

As a Breeder this would be my approch ..

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I have no solution to your problem, I wish I did. I can only tell you what I do for people who purchase a puppy from me.

I vaccinate and de-worm on schedule, I never let the pup go before 8 wks. old, more closer to 12 wks. old. AND I offer a 1 yr. guarantee for every puppy that leaves here. If the puppy gets sick within the first month, I cover vet bills. If the puppy developes a genetic defect or fault, I take said puppy back and refund purchase price. I will not refund any money if said puppy is returned in poor health due to neglect or abuse. I have signed contracts from every person that has purchased a puppy from me in the last 6 yrs. and have only had to take 1 puppy back, because they people were going through a hard time and needed to get rid of their dogs.

A good breeder stands behind what they sell, because they believe in what they produce. I have references on me and my dogs and I urge prospective buyers to check said references on me and my dogs. I have nothing to hide, so it doesn't bother me when folks ask questions. Then again, I don't breed often and don't have to worry about that many pups that might be returned.

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