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Posted by shakethevine on 07-12-2011 12:42 PM:

Score it!

3 dog cast: My dog has 1st & 1st, and the other dogs follow suit. When we get there, there is a big glacier rock (big as house), with a hole under it. There is a log that is in the hole and travels out from the hole about 15 feet from the rock, and about 2 feet above the ground. The log dead ends right against another tree, that has a full leafy top in it.

Two dogs are in the hole, and my dog is standing at the end of the log, treeing on the tree. We pull the two dogs away from the hole, and there is a coon back in there laying up against the log, that is coming out of the hole.

I vote plus them all, they vote circle me and plus them.....

You decide......it was a pleasure hunt.

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Posted by brady8687 on 07-12-2011 01:11 PM:

plus strike. no tree points.

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Posted by Whordel on 07-12-2011 01:16 PM:

If its a tree thats hard to shine and you dont see a coon you are circled.The other dogs get strike points only.

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Posted by Davebrott on 07-12-2011 02:03 PM:

score this

You would get plus tree points coon was seen. if dogs cought coon on the ground then only strike points.

Posted by WILD RIVERCLYDE on 07-12-2011 02:18 PM:

SCORE IT

IF YOU CALLED YOUR DOG TREED, AND NO COON WAS SEEN IN THE TREE THEN YOU WOULD BE CIRCLED FOR THE TREE.

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Posted by shakethevine on 07-12-2011 03:13 PM:

Come on guys.....I want plus points! I think that coon ran up the tree and down the log, straight into that hole.....lol

I think Davebrott is right.....lol

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Posted by JiM on 07-12-2011 03:30 PM:

If that is what you believe then you should take your minus for a slick tree because your dog failed to finish and came up short. No different than a coon that goes out a limb over a creek, jumps off and leaves the dogs treed with nothing. Is that a dog fault? No, but it is darn sure a slick tree.
Shake, I think you better be darn glad you got out of that one with circles.

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Posted by shakethevine on 07-12-2011 03:47 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
If that is what you believe then you should take your minus for a slick tree because your dog failed to finish and came up short. No different than a coon that goes out a limb over a creek, jumps off and leaves the dogs treed with nothing. Is that a dog fault? No, but it is darn sure a slick tree.
Shake, I think you better be darn glad you got out of that one with circles.

LOL.....I was happy with circle, but I sure tried to talk those other guys into a plus.

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Posted by Jon Millwood on 07-12-2011 04:09 PM:

If those other dogs had that coon bayed in a place of refuge and didnt actually catch it would they be plussed both ways?

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-12-2011 06:15 PM:

Re: score this

quote:
Originally posted by Davebrott
You would get plus tree points coon was seen. if dogs cought coon on the ground then only strike points.

Yep you would pluss them all. The trees were tied together standing up or laying down. As long as they didn't get the coon you would pluss them all. Doesn't sound like it would had been hard for it to timber on that. LOL

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Posted by fatblue-2 on 07-12-2011 09:22 PM:

send the one looking up the tree to me...lol

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Posted by ewkc1 on 07-13-2011 04:41 AM:

MINUS IT

I would say plus the two dogs in hole where coon was seen and minus other dog LOL

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Posted by juross on 07-13-2011 06:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Millwood
If those other dogs had that coon bayed in a place of refuge and didnt actually catch it would they be plussed both ways?

UNLESS THEY DECLARED THEIR DOG IN A HOLE THEN STRIKE POINTS ONLY CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER TREED THEM.

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Posted by shakethevine on 07-13-2011 12:20 PM:

Re: MINUS IT

quote:
Originally posted by ewkc1
I would say plus the two dogs in hole where coon was seen and minus other dog LOL

LOL.........you would!

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-13-2011 02:36 PM:

Re: f

quote:
Originally posted by juross
UNLESS THEY DECLARED THEIR DOG IN A HOLE THEN STRIKE POINTS ONLY CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER TREED THEM.

coon was seen

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-13-2011 02:41 PM:

No freaking wonder the hunts have so many problems. My goodness!

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Posted by Jon Millwood on 07-13-2011 04:24 PM:

Re: f

quote:
Originally posted by juross
UNLESS THEY DECLARED THEIR DOG IN A HOLE THEN STRIKE POINTS ONLY CAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER TREED THEM.

Where in the world did you come up with that rule? When the dogs are barking and are stationary you either apply the stationary rule or they are declared treed. 2 dogs have a coon bayed and the other is barking up a tree. The 2 dogs that have a coon bayed (as long as they have not actually caught it) are plussed strike and tree and the other dog is scored according to its tree.

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Posted by Jeff M. on 07-13-2011 04:54 PM:

I wonder how would your buddies want to score it if there wasn't a coon in the hole but one in the tree that the log was going into... I would have probably asked how are we going to score this.. split tree or all as one tree.. before anyone shined!!!

Posted by shakethevine on 07-13-2011 05:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff M.
I wonder how would your buddies want to score it if there wasn't a coon in the hole but one in the tree that the log was going into... I would have probably asked how are we going to score this.. split tree or all as one tree.. before anyone shined!!!

Jeff its funny that you ask that....because I said the same thing to a couple people. What if I had the coon.

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Posted by shakethevine on 07-13-2011 05:05 PM:

Re: Re: f

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Millwood
Where in the world did you come up with that rule? When the dogs are barking and are stationary you either apply the stationary rule or they are declared treed. 2 dogs have a coon bayed and the other is barking up a tree. The 2 dogs that have a coon bayed (as long as they have not actually caught it) are plussed strike and tree and the other dog is scored according to its tree.

from 200 yards away, you would have guessed they were all treed together, but when we get there, two dogs are barking at the hole and my 15 feet away with his feet up on the tree.

The hard thing about this is, from the hole to the tree my dog is on, is all tied together by another log. With a coon in the hole...crazy deal....lol

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Posted by Whordel on 07-13-2011 11:24 PM:

Re: Re: f

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Millwood
Where in the world did you come up with that rule? When the dogs are barking and are stationary you either apply the stationary rule or they are declared treed. 2 dogs have a coon bayed and the other is barking up a tree. The 2 dogs that have a coon bayed (as long as they have not actually caught it) are plussed strike and tree and the other dog is scored according to its tree.

I need to study up.I didnt know you could get plus tree points without a coon being in a tree.Where can I download an official UKC Rulebook at? Its been 5 or 6 years since Ive been in a hunt and need to freshen up on a few things.

Posted by GA DAWG on 07-13-2011 11:37 PM:

5 or 6 years ago you could still get plussed both ways on a coon in a hole lol. That ain't changed.

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Posted by Travis L Wilkison on 07-13-2011 11:39 PM:

Re: Re: f

quote:
Originally posted by Jon Millwood
Where in the world did you come up with that rule? When the dogs are barking and are stationary you either apply the stationary rule or they are declared treed. 2 dogs have a coon bayed and the other is barking up a tree. The 2 dogs that have a coon bayed (as long as they have not actually caught it) are plussed strike and tree and the other dog is scored according to its tree.

I almost agree with you. However, you do not have to tree your dog if it is in a hole like were talking about. rule 5 (a) NOTE: in case of running coon in hole or place of refuge other than a tree, handler may call dog treed. However, if not called treed, cast may proceed to general area, and track can be considered finished if dogs, by actions either tree barking or otherwise, show to the satisfaction of the Judge, coon to be there. One dog must show end of trail.

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Posted by Jon Millwood on 07-13-2011 11:59 PM:

Re: Re: Re: f

quote:
Originally posted by Clover Hounds
I almost agree with you. However, you do not have to tree your dog if it is in a hole like were talking about. rule 5 (a) NOTE: in case of running coon in hole or place of refuge other than a tree, handler may call dog treed. However, if not called treed, cast may proceed to general area, and track can be considered finished if dogs, by actions either tree barking or otherwise, show to the satisfaction of the Judge, coon to be there. One dog must show end of trail.

for that rule to be applied the stationary rule would have to run and the dogs not be declared treed..if that were the case here then that part was left out of the original post

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Posted by Travis L Wilkison on 07-14-2011 12:13 AM:

It says 2 dogs are in hole. Second paragraph first sentence.

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