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Posted by Upstart on 07-11-2011 01:03 AM:

Make a dog a nite champion

Can some explain to me what it takes to make a dog a nite champ then gr.nt.ch? really havent found any good info

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Posted by Richard Bull on 07-11-2011 01:05 AM:

You need a 1st place and 100 points for NiteCh

5 NiteCh wins for GrNiteCh

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 07-11-2011 01:23 AM:

Re: Make a dog a nite champion

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Originally posted by Upstart
Can some explain to me what it takes to make a dog a nite champ then gr.nt.ch? really havent found any good info

I would suggest that the FIRST thing that is required is to read the rule book. Had you looked in the UKC rules for night hunts, that is where you find the requirements for earning night hunt titles.

Until you've committed the rules to memory...I wouldn't worry too much about getting started....

You not finding any good info tells me you haven't read the rules!

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Posted by branchvillekell on 07-11-2011 01:33 AM:

well guys and gals, hate to get things started. if you know when your dog absolutely strikes and trees, youre in the running. the rest of the rules , which i have personally read over and over, are for the most part,for the sake of arguement. if everyone was 200% on what their dog was doing and there dog was doing 100%, there would only be about five rules. jmo. and three would be about scratching handlers and two would be about scratching dogs. jmo.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 07-11-2011 01:35 AM:

EASY Joe !!!

Her Pup is only 11 weeks old !!

Heck She's Just a Pup !! lol

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 07-11-2011 01:51 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by branchvillekell
well guys and gals, hate to get things started. if you know when your dog absolutely strikes and trees, youre in the running. the rest of the rules , which i have personally read over and over, are for the most part,for the sake of arguement. if everyone was 200% on what their dog was doing and there dog was doing 100%, there would only be about five rules. jmo. and three would be about scratching handlers and two would be about scratching dogs. jmo.

kelley

Kelly,

First, its not a perfect world, and nobody is going to be 100% "perfect"....dogs are going to earn minus points, handlers are going to "hand" dogs minus points....and if you don't understand when and what should happen..that is when and where most of the arguments happen.

How about the rule that states you must vote when asked...or be scratched...shoot, if you have no idea of the rules, you don't even know you CAN vote, let alone MUST vote.

Ive been at this game a long time, and I promise you that the better grasp you have about the rules, the more enjoyable the competition hunts will be......for you and for the rest of your cast.

For my part, I wish it would be a requirement that every handler have a stop watch...and would keep time along with the judge....not knowing, or even caring how long your dog has to stay treed....has be open at least every 8 minutes on track, and all of the other "rules" that are not up for interpretation leaves people thinking "I got cheated"......those folks go home with a sour taste and don't come back!

I didn't mean for my response to sound like I was pouncing on anyone.....I just think that if you don't read, understand, and at least know the rules well enough to find a specific rule on the back of the scorecard....you still have some studying to do before it will be fair to you, fair to your other cast members, and most importantly fun.....

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Posted by branchvillekell on 07-11-2011 01:56 AM:

no, i completely understand what you are saying. and what i can say to that is experience times ten. i have read the rules 6 thousand times. have i been in the field to see the administered,no. that is why i say experience.

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Posted by branchvillekell on 07-11-2011 01:59 AM:

BUT, if you know your dog, even if things go awry, you will still come out on top even if you lose. i know about things not going as planned already, but, i am learning my hound inside and out. he had a year and a half to learn me and now it is my turn to learn him.

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Posted by boonetreecoon on 07-11-2011 02:04 AM:

I agree with Joe. I started handling dogs when I was 14 I had hunted the dog for two years and she was right all I knew is strike her tree her got taken advantage of alot. Now I'm 16 and I know the rules alright enough not to get cheated which is good but always better to know more

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Posted by branchvillekell on 07-11-2011 02:10 AM:

i have been warned about my temper, but, i think when you put this much time, any time , into a dog. the dog knows you inside out and vice versa, god help the slick handler that comes up against me. they wont win.
there are rules on the back of the scorecard correct?

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Posted by patches9452 on 07-11-2011 03:08 AM:

alot more has to do with who you draw than if you know the rules most times.... if they want to cheat you knowing the rules will not help and a panel most of the time dont know the rules either

Posted by Upstart on 07-11-2011 04:23 AM:

I would like to say thanks to those that were respectful. My daughter does not have to worry to much about the rule book, I do. I do not have a scorecard so it is a little hard to read what u don't have. My dad is hunting a dog and we were discussing what it takes to make him a nitech. Is a first place for a whole hunt or first in cast? What is the points breakdown?

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Posted by patches9452 on 07-11-2011 04:37 AM:

first in the whole registered part of hunt.... first is 40pts second 35pts and so on.... if you dont win your cast with plus points and also be in the top ten places you recieve nothing but experience

Posted by mauser06 on 07-11-2011 04:46 AM:

you can find the rules on the UKC coonhound page....

id also suggest spectating on a bunch of casts before you enter a dog...

you can read the rules till your blue in the face, but IMO they are something better off learned through experience..id say you gotta know the basis before hunting..read over them and know them..spectate some casts to get a feel for it..then enter a dog and jump in...

some rules are rarely used...ive watched first hand old seasons comp hunters pull out a rule and use it to their advantage because i didnt know it well enough to argue it..

the hunts are pretty simple...call your dog struck and treed and shine the tree and find the coon..but, does take some time to learn the ropes...

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 07-11-2011 01:11 PM:

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Originally posted by patches9452
alot more has to do with who you draw than if you know the rules most times.... if they want to cheat you knowing the rules will not help and a panel most of the time dont know the rules either

Panels are the problem. Any Tom, Dick , or Harry sitting around the club can sit on one, and they don't have to know any rules either. Yes the UKC says the panel should be qualified to decide, but in the real world, we all know what kind of panels we get. Its a who is sitting there at the time of need panel. JMO, and not wanting to start in arguement, but MOH's are a better way to go. Sure, they make mistakes, but at least they had to pass a test to be able to make decisions. I'll take my chances with one person, and a rulebook, before i will anyday with a panel, in a hurry to close the doors and go home.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 07-11-2011 05:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Robert Johnson
Panels are the problem. Any Tom, Dick , or Harry sitting around the club can sit on one, and they don't have to know any rules either. Yes the UKC says the panel should be qualified to decide, but in the real world, we all know what kind of panels we get. Its a who is sitting there at the time of need panel. JMO, and not wanting to start in arguement, but MOH's are a better way to go. Sure, they make mistakes, but at least they had to pass a test to be able to make decisions. I'll take my chances with one person, and a rulebook, before i will anyday with a panel, in a hurry to close the doors and go home.

Robert,

I would say that the CLUB is the problem in that instance....not the panel system. It is the clubs responsibility to provide a competent panel....not just Tom, Dick, and Harry. It is also the clubs responsibility to provide a competent MOH....in either case the club can drop the ball....but it's not the fault of the system.

I have personally sat on many panels, have assembled several panels and have seen many questions brought before incompetent MOH in my years in this game....and whenever someone walks away feeling "cheated"...it boils down to one of two things.....they either don't KNOW the rules...or they dont agree with how a rule was applied. Both of these situations are remedied by an intimate knowledge of the rules that are written by UKC, AND an intimate knowledge of how and when those rules are applied according to common standard practice. Many of those interpretations can be found in the ADVISOR....

Now granted, there are a few people who will bend, and sometimes break those rules, and some that will interpret them in any way they can that will benefit them. It all starts with knowledge and is supplemented by experience, and seasoned by common sense.....

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Posted by Robert Johnson on 07-11-2011 07:33 PM:

Joe,
I agree in part. I think you missed the point on the panels. If they are done right, they could be ok, just as an MOH can be. Problem is, most places we hunt down here, only the hunt director will be at the club when you get back. I'm not knocking the system, but i just perfer the MOH format. Panels, and the good lord knows i have seen a few more of them than i care to talk about, have become a very bitter subject for me, not from UKC stand point, but the other KC. My problem with panels is no one interupts a rule the same. Yes, In UKC, we have the advisor, and i assure you i am well versed in the rules and the advisor, but convince those old guys on the panel the 1998 rule was changed. No, some like panels, I just perfer to stay away from them due to bad experiences. Sure, there is always the formal complaint route, and yes, if i was feeling like i was done wrong sure enough, i would go that route. The panels were not the answer everybody was looking for in rulke enforcement. They were simply put there to keep greedy money hungry MOH's from taking the club profits. That is plain and simple. Both can be good, both can be bad, but one had to at least prove a knowledge of the rules. The other, well i'll stop.

Posted by II Chance on 07-14-2011 01:19 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by branchvillekell
BUT, if you know your dog, even if things go awry, you will still come out on top even if you lose. i know about things not going as planned already, but, i am learning my hound inside and out. he had a year and a half to learn me and now it is my turn to learn him.

kelley

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