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grade dogs

just wondering how many of you started with a grade dog . My best dog so far was a grade dog and I've use d him for a measuring stick ever since. A few have come close but I'm still looking for that special one . He was walker ,plott,black and tan ,airdale cross and his whole litter were hounds

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I hunted for approx. 5 yrs. before I ever >>SAW<< a reg. dog ,let alone owned one.

I had one.
It was a ploker. 1/2 plott-1/2 walker.
Only dog I ever seen that would cold-trail a possum.
Ran a deer once and a bear once. Never whipped her for it. She just didn't like them.
Couldn't break her from possum though.
Fastest track dog I've ever owned. Good tree dog too. Good nose. Could rig her , road her , or free cast her. Didn't matter to her. Never had to use a leash.
Only fault other than the possum was that when you got to the tree , she'd follow you around while you looked for the coon. Then , while you were shooting it out , she'd stand right next to you. Treeing the whole time. When you'd shoot , she'd listen for a second to see if it was coming down. It if was , she be the first one there when it hit the ground. If not , she'd go back to treeing while I reloaded. (used a single-shot back then)

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BackWoods River Walkers/Beagles
Just all 'round , meat gettin' hounds.

once i had a bluetick crossed with dogo argentino (accident breeding)he would tree but would never stay there hed mill around and go back to it then he would like to go up to the tree then slowly back up as he looked up looking for the coon a couple of buddies of mine still have him gave him to them as they needed a gritty dog with a good nose for hog hunting he does thayt pretty well i guess

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Funny Thing is I started with Reg. Hounds in the 70s then Got out of hounds, Raised my kids Then went back to hounds after the kids Flew the Coop.. Only problem was Everything I looked at out of all the Breeds never suited me .. So I desided to Start breeding my own Crosses but Starting with Adding All the Nose I could by Crossing on Bloodhounds.

Well we have come a long way ! We now producing Hounds of Every Color the Hound Breeds ecpt. Plotts ..

This Pix is of 2 Pups we produced Brother and Sister 25% Bloodhound x 75% Walker..



In 2 days were having Pups that are a 5 way cross in 3 Generations ..

Bluetick/English/Treeing Walker/Bloodhound/French Gascon ..

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no offense,

but to me it is nice to know where your hound or hounds are out of, where they come from etc, etc, etc, but people does'nt look at it that way anymore these days. here's how i see it OR the impression people these days give me "if it aint registered or a dual grand or all grand dog they aint no way that dog has a half chace of a snow ball in hel l of treeing a coon". it's so complaiatied the way most folks get caught up in a set of papers. as far as my experiecne with hounds goes i've had all kinds of em from top of the line powerhouse walkers to semem dogs of yester year adn to be perfectly honest with you folks the best 2 dogs i ever owned would have been considered grade dogs, in which i later single registered the both of them. they were half mates. the male dog of the 2 is the dog in which all my dogs have been measured against in the last few years and i guess i could say that he is my "once in a life time" hound. to me here is my opinion hunt what you hunt and to hel l with the rest. when i find a set of papers that put a coon up a tree believe me i'll keep em. there is absolutely nothing wrong with a grade dog. Period. i have seen some that looked like starved to death rats from the streets of new york that i would put in the hill against any living brething dog in the country as far as hunting dog on dog.

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"ENGLISH COONHOUNDS BRED TO THE FINEST WITH RESPECT TO THE ONES WHO DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO COONHOUNDS SO I TOO A NEW GENERATION HUNTER COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HUNT DOGS OF YESTER YEAR........

BEVE 'BUBBA' BEGLEY
MANCHESTER, KY
606-594-9929

thats is all we ever had was grade dogs. and man did we tree some kind of coons. i like knowing what my dogs are out of and all my dogs have their paper work in line. some people call them grade and others call them curs. we had a grade dog that i can say would and could tree a coon any nite of the week. now we just say the coon ain't moving or they moved early or late. we did not use those excuses back then. we expected to tree coon when we turned them loose. yes indeed some nites were better than others. but none the less we treed coon. i raise a few pups from time to to time, but first off i raise for me then sell, give away and cull the rest. i don't really comp hunt so titles don't mean much anymore. i take a good grade dog over the rest anyday. MEAT dogs is what they called. and having the meat is all that matters Right?

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I hunted with just a couple of friends coondogs and they were grade before I decided to coonhunt. The first dog I bought was supposed to be Black and Tan and Registered but come to find out he was grade foxhound. What people will do to a kid. Next I bought a registered walker and stuck with them for forty years. The first competition hunt I was in, the registered casts were full and I had to hunt in the grade cast. We went to the marsh and those grade dogs put it on me. My excuse was my dog was not used to the marsh. We have lot of marsh around here and I always liked to hunt in it and the registered Walkers once they learned to get around in it, did OK. They would eventually bring most coons back to the hill and very occasionally catch one on the ground. The only way to catch coons in the marsh on a regular basis is dogs have to work together. Many people think they have a single dog that can chase a coon down in grass till they get down here and try it out. I pack hunt a lot because of it. I have had 5 nad six of my own registered line of walkers that were used to pack hunting together for 4 and 5 years that never caught as many on the ground as these crossbred leopards and full leopards I am hunting now. I still don't have time for silent running dogs and if that is what it took to catch coons on the ground I would quit trying it. I like grade dogs as long as they are open.

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Originally posted by smoke-pole
but to me it is nice to know where your hound or hounds are out of, where they come from etc, etc, etc, but people does'nt look at it that way anymore these days. here's how i see it OR the impression people these days give me "if it aint registered or a dual grand or all grand dog they aint no way that dog has a half chace of a snow ball in hel l of treeing a coon". it's so complaiatied the way most folks get caught up in a set of papers. dog in the country as far as hunting dog on dog.

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Well,

one night my son and I had just got in from hunting.We heard a loud mouth hound tracking something behind the house at about a 1/4 mile.We stood out on the back deck and listened to the race until the dog fell treed.Bawl on track and chop on tree.So, we waited to see someones light heading toward the treed dog.Did'nt happen.Waited a little longer and noone came.So, we went to the dog.When I got to the tree the dog had shut up and was setting down looking straight up the tree.I looked up the tree and there was Mr. Coon.So knowing that someone was driving around looking for this nice hound that did'nt have a name collar on we took him to the house.Noone drove by looking for a dog.We advertised the found dog on the radio station and nobody called.Finally I decided nobody was going to call or come by so we kept him.He looked to be about 1/2 bluetick and 1/2 walker.And let me tell ya he would cover some country and tree coon.Never had the dog trash except for 1 time I thought he might have ran a bobcat.Other than that he was as good a hound as I probably ever owned or ever will.We never knew where he came from or heard of anyone loosing a hound.

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A grade dog does not necessarily have to be out of something that came through the yard nobody knows where came from. I can go back on one side of my grade dogs to Stylish Hayes and UKC can probably take it back another dozen generations from there and the other side of my grade stuff I can go back 5 generations on and some other registry can take it on back


my definition of a grade is a non papered dog. plain and simple. adn as far as knowing what the grade dogs im hunting and have hunted in the past was out of i know exactly both parents sides as good as i do my son's name. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE I SAID NO OFFENSE. i was just stating the experiece i have had over the years of huniting. the male adn female dogs i was speaking of in my post are both sired by "woodstock red bud 75" the two dogs dams were litter mate sisters directly out of Michigan Swamprooster,and a Larry wilcox bred female dog. i think if i recall corecttly she was sired by wilcox thunder bingo. somewhere along the line of the litter mate sisters being bred to redbud the paperwork was just never done on the dogs i guess simply because neither of us gave red hot shi t about a piece of paper, all we cared was 3 of us fellow hunters had a dog or two a piece at 7-9 months of age was smoking coons in these hills around here where there are only a had full of COONDOGS and somewhere shortly down the line those so called high bred dual and quad adn all grand dogs just seem to have fell off the face of the earth. all im trying to say is to ME a GRADE DOG is a non registered dog. nothing less, nothing more. so i guess you could say about Every dog ive owned that i could actually call a coondog" inwhich u could count on one hand" was a GRADE DOG.

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SLICK TREE KENNELS:
HOME OF
"BEGLEY'S "HARD TO GET GUNNER" R.I.P
"BEGLEY'S "RED HOT RAIZE" R.I.P

"ENGLISH COONHOUNDS BRED TO THE FINEST WITH RESPECT TO THE ONES WHO DEVOTED THEIR LIVES TO COONHOUNDS SO I TOO A NEW GENERATION HUNTER COULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HUNT DOGS OF YESTER YEAR........

BEVE 'BUBBA' BEGLEY
MANCHESTER, KY
606-594-9929

I almost forgot about the first dog that really got my imagination going for wanting to coonhunt. I was about 12 or 13 and had been studying with a girl that lived a half mile across the swamp. I got a little later start headed home and when I got on that old dike, it was pretty dark. Just before I got to the break that I had a pole stuck in to pole vault it / jump it like the Irish people did, I heard something at my heals. I could flinch back then and a snake would never touch me. I landed 15 feet over in the water from that dike. Well this spotted looking dog went trotting on by to the break , got on a track made a loop crossed the dike , made another loop and treed pretty close. I could see the coon in the moon so I trotted on home and got the 16 single barrel and a hay hempstring , 2 cell light , and went back and got the coon. The dog had a collar and no tag. He also had 4 or 5 other chewed off knots on his collar ranging from clothesline to plowline. I put my hempstring on him and led him home. He ate good for two days. Then he chewed the string and was gone. I saw that dog about 10 miles down the road one time and asked the fellow I was with about him he said that he was a phantom dog people think is a good coondog but he only hunts when he is hungry, if then.

I have thought a good bit about that dog since then, being in the freelance consulting business like that dog. Why is it that people think they need to keep you starved down and expect you to work better? It's better just to go on to the next client.

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Originally posted by smoke-pole
A grade dog does not necessarily have to be out of something that came through the yard nobody knows where came from. I can go back on one side of my grade dogs to Stylish Hayes and UKC can probably take it back another dozen generations from there and the other side of my grade stuff I can go back 5 generations on and some other registry can take it on back


my definition of a grade is a non papered dog. plain and simple. adn as far as knowing what the grade dogs im hunting and have hunted in the past was out of i know exactly both parents sides as good as i do my son's name. AND IF YOU'LL NOTICE I SAID NO OFFENSE. i was just stating the experiece i have had over the years of huniting. the male adn female dogs i was speaking of in my post are both sired by "woodstock red bud 75" the two dogs dams were litter mate sisters directly out of Michigan Swamprooster,and a Larry wilcox bred female dog. i think if i recall corecttly she was sired by wilcox thunder bingo. somewhere along the line of the litter mate sisters being bred to redbud the paperwork was just never done on the dogs i guess simply because neither of us gave red hot shi t about a piece of paper, all we cared was 3 of us fellow hunters had a dog or two a piece at 7-9 months of age was smoking coons in these hills around here where there are only a had full of COONDOGS and somewhere shortly down the line those so called high bred dual and quad adn all grand dogs just seem to have fell off the face of the earth. all im trying to say is to ME a GRADE DOG is a non registered dog. nothing less, nothing more. so i guess you could say about Every dog ive owned that i could actually call a coondog" inwhich u could count on one hand" was a GRADE DOG.

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Alot of bear hunters up here just breed the best to the best no matter what breed of hound it is and they have some dogs any man would be proud to own. All my dogs are registered because I like the comp. but I sure don't mind following those grade dogs.

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