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Highest Level of Protein?

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There's a few with 40 and 45% but for whatever reason there relatively low on fat

I've kicked around the idea of trying EVO Red Meat formula dog food for a couple of mine a few times...it's 42/22. VERY expensive though!

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Protein - be careful

Be careful if it is to high, you will burn kidneys right out of them. Seen it happen infield trial dogs. My rule is under 30%. I road work my dogs some and my field trial dogs I had got 3-5 miles a day. Even conditioned my beagles 1.5 miles. Being out of shape makes it hard on everybody, Owners and Dogs..LOL Swimming is a excellent way to keep them in shape. Conditioning of dogs is the most important in training.

Jeff

Quality vs quantity

Note: Saying high protein burns up the kidneys is and old wives tale. Has never been proven scientifically. It is more a matter of the blend of other nutrients in the dog food that allow bodily functions to operate effectively including the cooling process and conditioning.

Many people make the mistake of judging the quality of a pet food simply by looking at the percentage of protein shown on the label. This is not the best way to judge overall quality for several reasons:

•Not all protein is created equal.
•Higher protein percentages do not automatically mean higher quality food - the right level of protein for your particular pet is what matters.
•Other nutrients levels are necessary for overall health and the proper use of protein by the body.
Let's take a closer look…

Not all protein is created equal

What would you rather feed your pet - four ounces of real chicken meat or four ounces of ground chicken feathers and corn? All three ingredients contain protein, but they are definitely not equal. Ounce for ounce, the real chicken provides more protein, and the protein is highly digestible and usable, allowing pets to eat smaller quantities to receive the optimal level of protein.

In contrast, the ground feathers contain protein, but in a nondigestible form. Digestibility is key to evaluating a protein's nutritional value. Real meat offers highly digestible protein - protein that is easily broken down by your pet's body. Your pet cannot digest and cannot live on the protein contained in feathers. It simply passes through the digestive system unused.

Utilization is another key to evaluating protein sources. Corn has digestible protein that is absorbed, but it is not as usable by the body as the protein from meat or eggs. Corn must be combined with another grain to supply the range of essential amino acids that meat or eggs supply by themselves. Pets will need to eat larger quantities of corn and other grains to obtain the same amount of usable protein that is in chicken.

When comparing pet foods, be sure to consider the type and quality of protein used - not just the quantity. Look for foods with highly digestible, usable protein. Real meat, fish, and eggs, for example, provide your pet with the highest levels of usable protein, while allowing you to feed lesser quantities of food.

Different pets have different protein needs
Many people wrongly assume that a pet food with a high protein level is automatically better for their pet. This is incorrect for two reasons. First, as described above, the quality of the protein is a critical factor - it doesn't matter if a food has a high percentage of protein if the protein comes from a less-digestible or less-usable source. Secondly, optimal protein levels for different life stages and activity levels vary. Senior pets generally require less protein than active adult pets; and active adult pets need less protein than puppies and kittens. Look for a food that provides the optimum level of protein for your pet's particular life stage and activity. Otherwise, you'll feed your pet excess protein that will simply be converted into fat.

A diet must be balanced

Protein is important, but so are the many other essential nutrients in food. Pets cannot live on protein alone. Calories, fats, carbohydrates, vitamins, and minerals must all be present in the proper levels and ratios for your pet to have a balanced diet and properly use the protein in the food.

Choose your proteins with care

Be a critical thinker when it comes to evaluating the protein in your pet's food - first determine whether the protein is derived from a high-quality source that will give your pet the maximum amount of usable, digestible protein. Then, look at the protein percentage to see how much protein the food includes. Remember, a high protein percentage does not guarantee a healthy, beneficial pet food, especially if it merely shows a high percentage of a lesser-quality protein. Finally, don't forget to look at the other nutrients. Your pet may not be able to use the protein as well if other nutrients are lacking.

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Doug Robinson - better recheck wivestale.

Mr. Robinson, you have a nice article and I appreciate reading it. I assure you I know what I am talking about also. You may know alot of things and they are correct, have you ever raced field-trial dogs professionally or won Thousands of dollars doing it over many years. Swam dogs on the big circuit or beagle trialed. If you have you would have ran into some odd things that people do that damage the animals. To much protein is one of them especially in more greyhound type dogs. Iv'e been around competition animals since i could walk. Conditioning is a big part of a athletic animal or persons success.

You are correct on the type of protein, heck there are some feeds that call feather and beaks protein. I don't know you but please never assume you know everything cause I assure everybody can still learn and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean others have. I give you credit you are quite smart. I would like to talk to you sometime if we ever meet I could probably learn something.

Have a good day.

Mr. Robinson you are correct. Gotta be careful 'round here though. Many coonhunters will get offended if you aren't dumb.

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Re: Doug Robinson - better recheck wivestale.

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Originally posted by Jeff Ashmore
Mr. Robinson, you have a nice article and I appreciate reading it. I assure you I know what I am talking about also. You may know alot of things and they are correct, have you ever raced field-trial dogs professionally or won Thousands of dollars doing it over many years. Swam dogs on the big circuit or beagle trialed. If you have you would have ran into some odd things that people do that damage the animals. To much protein is one of them especially in more greyhound type dogs. Iv'e been around competition animals since i could walk. Conditioning is a big part of a athletic animal or persons success.

You are correct on the type of protein, heck there are some feeds that call feather and beaks protein. I don't know you but please never assume you know everything cause I assure everybody can still learn and just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean others have. I give you credit you are quite smart. I would like to talk to you sometime if we ever meet I could probably learn something.

Have a good day.

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Mr Robinson and Iowa Gentleman

You are right I shouldn't have got offended. In my career it is varied and much more than coonhunting sir. We are in agreement Mr. Robinson is ahead of most people in canine quality food needs. It is only an expression of what I have seen is why i mentioned it. My apologies if I offended someone.

Jeff

They can't give u a credible source saying protein is bad but like was said there's protein from corn and feathers not easily digested and there's protein from actual meat that is absorbed and broke down easily

Cattle and hog feeds list % Crude Protein and % Digestible Protein. Why won't dog feeds?

I am surely not an authority on dog food but I used to hunt with a vet who is now deceased and he always stressed the importance of meat in a dogs diet. Dogs are carnivores. they eat meat not vegetables. their protein comes from meat. they cannot break down protein from vegetables. An adult dog only digests around 18% protein any thing more is scooped up with the rest of the stool. A dogs energy comes from fat. fat does not come from hair, feathers or vegetables and neither does digestable protein. feed a good meat based food with a protein level between 21 and 26 and your dog will be well nourished. The amount of fat depends on your dogs activity and how heavy you want him.

High levels of protein it self doesn't cause kidney damage.High ureaic acid levels caused by feeding excess protein can cause kidney damage or failure especially in older dogs.A dogs system will only utilize about 24-28% protein.The rest is elininated through urine and feces.

Glynn Holmes LADVM

My Extra's I put in feed in certain working Dogs.

Based on difference of dogs, Fish, Table Scraps, V8 Juice, meat, Vegi's, eggs and Rice in on a quality dog feed. Some dogs I have seen are also missing certain minerals, We had one dog that pet tabs helped. I prefer 28% prrotein and in winter a higher fat ratio. In summer under extreme heat to high of fat will add extra heat to a dog. Best dog I ever had was high strung line bred that never had anything but plain dogfeed even when he was old. As it would throw his best quality tracking off, he ran professionally from 7 1/2 month to 10 years. My dogs always ran the long run as animal health was most important to me.

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Thank you Glenn Homes

Thank You for explaining in detail sir. Kidney failure is not pleasant to see nor is liver failure from steroid use. I am a natural trainer be it animals or people as I coached for 28 years football and wrestling. This has been a good talk and thanks to all for your ideas.

Jeff Ashmore

Re: Doug Robinson - better recheck wivestale.

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Originally posted by Jeff Ashmore
If you have you would have ran into some odd things that people do that damage the animals. To much protein is one of them especially in more greyhound type dogs.

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Some people say a line of pups susceptible to mange ought to be put down along with their parents. Some people are currently down on corn and soybean protein and associated allergies. I'd say I can kill mange. If I bought a pup that couldn't handle corn, I'd feel like the breeder shafted me. Pluss it would cost me 14$ more per bag for the rest of the dogs life. No Thanks. I guess I'll just keep feeding my corn burners.

Hi Laurie

I take it you run track greyhounds? What we ran mile tracks through woods and fields using scent track Called Fieldtrials. It started off all hounds many years ago and evolved to now it is 3/4 to fullbloods most 7/8. These dogs to be in shape have to roadwork 3 mile a day usually 5 days a week they love it. Hounds were worked 5 miles a day. as in competition you might have to run 3 times in a day.

How do you train and condition your track Greyhounds? I knew Lockharts in Iowa that raced in wisconsin and Florida.

I just coon hunt now and work at the club nite hunts, my dogs are young have been in 2 hunts. I often go to clubs to go see particular dogs work. Started with coon dogs and will finish with them. Love those hounds, I still have my last race dog as he is a family pet, I like dogs of about all types as we have 5. Commanche the greyhound the kids come down to play with him all the time.

Have a good day to all, Jeff