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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 04-20-2011 10:55 PM:

Dog Energy Supplements

is stuff like this really healthy for our hounds.
seems to me if they are fed right from the start and have good breeding things like this are not neccesary....any thoughts

http://www.jefferspet.com/k9-superf...1794/cn/100214/

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Posted by croatankid on 04-20-2011 11:31 PM:

i take a vitamine/mineral supplement. my wife is a nurse and she said that she has seen doctors take large quantities of suppliments. i just had to put my dog down from old age. i wondered then if she would have lived longer if i had given her a suppliment. i can not believe commercial dog food is wholesome. it's adequate but that's it.

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Posted by l.lyle on 04-21-2011 12:13 AM:

For six months I have been giving mine Lixitonic only because a friend gave me a half gallon of it. It looks and smeels just like Livitamin that a vet I worked for 40 years ago would send home 4 ounces for a recouperating dog. I've only been giving about 3cc everyother day or so but this is the first crop of pups that stayed fat in the fast growth stage. I recon that is what helped but it might have just been that litter. It's Liver and vitamin or Iron and vitamins. They love it. I had one show signs of mange anyway so it is not a magic formula.

Posted by SCBluetickGal on 04-21-2011 02:24 PM:

I bought a small jar of Dog Forte at the Grand American this year to try out at some point. The plan was to try it on the deer dogs when season came back around, but I recently brought home a couple dogs that needed to put on some weight. I used it on the male for a week, and have been using it on the racier built (and hard to keep) female for the past two. It really helped improve their coats, and both have filled out to a good size without having the potbelly look. As far as energy goes, they have plenty of "go" even in the increased temperatures. I plan on using it on my NTCH female as well after she has whelped her pups, and am interested to see what it will do for a dog really being hunted hard. A little pricey, but I like what I see so far. The added protein seems to have helped with muscle tone as well...

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 04-21-2011 02:54 PM:

what i am starting to see is guys giving hounds this kinda stuff to make up for crapy feed. guys buying cheap and i mean cheap feed and dogs not maintaing weight so they are looking to stuff like this to put"fat" on the dog.i have seen this trend more and more the last year or so.

Posted by SCBluetickGal on 04-21-2011 08:51 PM:

I personally used the Dog Forte on top of my regular feed, Diamond Extreme Athlete. Pretty high fat/protein food, so it's not something I would do all the time but it gave me better results than just loading them up on a pile of food.

Posted by johnsoncreekblu on 04-21-2011 09:25 PM:

Feed a quality feed like NATIVE and you wont have to use supplements!

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Posted by CSnowgren on 04-22-2011 12:57 AM:

Re: Dog Energy Supplements

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Originally posted by cedarhillkennel
is stuff like this really healthy for our hounds.
seems to me if they are fed right from the start and have good breeding things like this are not neccesary....any thoughts

http://www.jefferspet.com/k9-superf...1794/cn/100214/

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Posted by ladycoonhuntr on 04-22-2011 01:51 AM:

Dog Forte works wonders...i have had a few that were hard to keep weight on and a few picky eaters...also used it after a hunt...wonderfull results! not once has it messed up thier stomachs or any ill effects.

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Posted by Doug Robinson on 04-22-2011 03:27 AM:

The truth

The truth is vitamins and supplements do not work to their full extent unless they have good food to work with. And the body rejects any excess it doesn't need. Over 40 yrs experience has taught me to feed good feed and supplement lightly. I use fish oil tabs couple times a week, vita tabs couple times a week and because I get lots of eggs from buddies chickens the dogs get scrambled eggs a couple times a week. Any left over beef, chicken, turkey or deer meat also goes to dogs. Also leftover vegetables. That way if they are lacking anything a variety should accomodate their needs. But supplement lightly the dog food being the main fare. That is my experience.

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Posted by LostHeritageKennel on 04-22-2011 04:21 AM:

Re: The truth

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Originally posted by Doug Robinson
The truth is vitamins and supplements do not work to their full extent unless they have good food to work with. And the body rejects any excess it doesn't need. Over 40 yrs experience has taught me to feed good feed and supplement lightly. I use fish oil tabs couple times a week, vita tabs couple times a week and because I get lots of eggs from buddies chickens the dogs get scrambled eggs a couple times a week. Any left over beef, chicken, turkey or deer meat also goes to dogs. Also leftover vegetables. That way if they are lacking anything a variety should accomodate their needs. But supplement lightly the dog food being the main fare. That is my experience.

I fully agree with Doug on this matter. Another thing that improves the results of using vitamins and supplements is exercise and conditioning. Because without these two key factors, like Doug stated before, the body will dispose of any excess vitamin or supplement that it does not absorb. And they only way to make a dog absorb or use more of the vitamin or supplement is to make the dog's body breakdown what it has and rebuild itself with the new proteins and vitamins that the supplements offer. So you can give a dog as many vitamins and supplements that you want but if you just let it sit in the kennel and expect to get maximum results then you are wasting your time and money.

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 04-22-2011 01:19 PM:

the stuff i posted a link to,the k-9 superfuel,with some research i found it was a supplement best suited for after hard excercise to help the body rebuild after it had been broke down.seems like a good suplement to give to big game hounds after a hard day on the mountain or fox/deer hound after running deer all day or fox after all night running in a pen and a coon hound hunted all night. the key seems to be feeding them within 30 minutes after the hard excercise

Posted by CSnowgren on 04-22-2011 01:37 PM:

You are exactly right. 30 minutes is key. Any longer and you risk allowing the dog to go into a catabolic state. I usually feed at the 15 minute or so mark.

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 04-22-2011 02:16 PM:

yea thats a bit of information i just learned yesterday and somthing i will have to work on correcting,i will have to cary food/suplement with me when i hunt them hard cuz i live about an hour away from where i hunt.i always feed them when i get home but it seems to be a little too late to really help them.

Posted by johnny reb on 04-22-2011 03:19 PM:

All of my huntings around an hour away also I feed mine after I hunt on the way home been doing this for couple years and u can tell a difference in feeding as soon as possible

Posted by bcoleman on 04-22-2011 06:28 PM:

feed 30 min

after you hunt if you read menhealth or any work out book all body build drink them shakes hour before and with in 30 mintunes after there work out.i migth spell this wrong createn and whey is mostly what these shakes are.theres charts on the boxes for body weigth lil math you could find out what a dog needs.i know these shakes work.but have anyone every tried them on hounds? thanks just something i wounder.

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Posted by l.lyle on 04-22-2011 07:07 PM:

Sounds like it might give them the shakes!

Posted by CSnowgren on 04-22-2011 11:41 PM:

Re: feed 30 min

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Originally posted by bcoleman
after you hunt if you read menhealth or any work out book all body build drink them shakes hour before and with in 30 mintunes after there work out.i migth spell this wrong createn and whey is mostly what these shakes are.theres charts on the boxes for body weigth lil math you could find out what a dog needs.i know these shakes work.but have anyone every tried them on hounds? thanks just something i wounder.

Hunt a dog on an empty stomach. Feed within 30 minutes after work and don't get crazy with supplements. Proper feeding at the right time will go a long ways in improving performance. Supplement when you are busting his azz day after day. Rest once every three but feed at the same time. Dial in his metabolism.

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Posted by BlueTickNC on 04-22-2011 11:52 PM:

when i run my beagles i use K-9 superfuel and go dog that stuff really works also when i am breeding a female coondog to one of my males i always give the male the K-9 superfuel it pumps them up pretty good

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