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Posted by deschmidt27 on 03-05-2011 09:26 PM:

Can't "Plainly See" Anything

So several of us without better sense, went on a competition hunt in the pouring rain, last night. And there were a couple trees we struggled with scoring. we couldn't find a coon, or off game, nor could we find a hole. In fact we struggled to see anything, with the hard rain pelting us in the face.

I'm sure this isn't that uncommon, as I know a lot of hunts take place in the rain. So what are some of the opinions on scoring trees in a down pour? If you find a coon, well that's easy, but if you struggle to see anything, do you circle it or take a more conservative approach???

Posted by Travis Eastman on 03-05-2011 09:29 PM:

If it is raining so hard that you cant even shine the tree I would say circle it up. Call time out move to a different spot and hope the rain at least let up some.

Posted by Drew on 03-05-2011 09:37 PM:

I spectated a cast last night in the rain as well, and the easiest way to shine a tree is to back up as far as possible so you're not looking straight up into the tree, rather try to look at it from the side as much as possible.

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Posted by wildbill on 03-06-2011 07:00 AM:

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Originally posted by Drew
I spectated a cast last night in the rain as well, and the easiest way to shine a tree is to back up as far as possible so you're not looking straight up into the tree, rather try to look at it from the side as much as possible.

thats the way i find them when its not raining..have someone stand under tree with spotlight shining up and darkspot them if they arent looking..

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-06-2011 02:22 PM:

the handlers job to find a coon a den or place
you just cant shine

Posted by JiM on 03-06-2011 03:18 PM:

Rule 5:Circled And Deleted Points.(a) "......where there could be a coon , yet Judge does not see a coon and no off game is seen."

So if you can't see the tree for all the rain, then there could be a coon there right? If no off game is seen, I'd circle it.

This is different from, say, a situation where you have a tree with no leaves, no vines, no nest, no rain and no coon but....."I betcha anything there is a hole up there in that big crotch, we just can't see it" I've seen those get circled too and I feel those should always be minused,.

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Posted by patches9452 on 03-06-2011 03:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
the handlers job to find a coon a den or place
you just cant shine

and i have been in a hunt where it was raining so hard that was the whole tree

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 03-06-2011 03:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
and i have been in a hunt where it was raining so hard that was the whole tree

and after the rain you have fog

Posted by cbcoonskinner on 03-06-2011 03:54 PM:

If you choose to hunt in the incliment conditions why should the rules change?? You still have ten minutes to find the coon.No coon no points! I have seen dogs swimming and treeing around the bottom of a tree before from rapid rain and runoff. And I have seen more coons in the rain looking down with the leaves on than when it's dry and leaves on.The Lighting must hurt their eyes!

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Posted by patches9452 on 03-06-2011 03:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cbcoonskinner
If you choose to hunt in the incliment conditions why should the rules change?? You still have ten minutes to find the coon.No coon no points! I have seen dogs swimming and treeing around the bottom of a tree before from rapid rain and runoff. And I have seen more coons in the rain looking down with the leaves on than when it's dry and leaves on.The Lighting must hurt their eyes!

nobodys changing the rules... if you cant see how can you minus... if you can see by all means have at it

Posted by deschmidt27 on 03-06-2011 07:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by patches9452
nobodys changing the rules... if you cant see how can you minus... if you can see by all means have at it

Agreed, if the rules simply say "where there could be a coon" that could mean anywhere that's out of view. And your view could be blocked by leaves, the tree itself (if it's hollow), a squirrel nest, or even rain or fog.

I have no problem taking my minus and have gotten in many disagreements on minusing trees that my dogs were also on, sometimes even with first tree. But I like to use the "would I whoop him if I was pleasure hunting", rule of thumb. And if the tree is bigger than a bush, but the rain is preventing me from seeing all of it, then I wouldn't whoop my dog off it. And if I wouldn't whoop him pleasure hunting, I wouldn't vote for minus in a competition hunt.

And yes, standing way back off the tree or looking where the rain is at your back, helps. And works great if you're treed on a ditch or fence row, but is of no use when your in the middle of a thick, heavy woods.

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