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Kinda new to sport, Need Some help!

I have a couple pups (9 and 7 mo. old). They will tree a house cat like no other, LOL. They'll go crazy on a caged coon and track a drag. However, I took the older pup with some finished dogs the other night for the first time. He hunted for about 15 minutes and came back. When they treed, we shot it out and the finished dogs latched onto it but my pup had no idea what was going on...How do i get him to stay with the other dogs? Do I just need to keep working drags and caged coons or keep taking them with the older, trained dogs. I'd appreciate any advice, thanks!

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me myself would not keep messing with a gaged coon on a daily and i wold only hunt pup with 1 dog till he gets going and also i wouldnt hunt both pups together 1 at a time thats my thinking but you will get differnt opions from others because every body does things differnt

I pretty much agree with hillbilly.

Never hunt more than one pup or dog that can't tree its on coon together. I wouldn't hunt it with but one older finished hound either. Try to find a finished hound that will let him work and keep up while hunting. I would be careful of over exposure to caged coons with any young dog, he's probably seen enough coons. Just keep hunting them and learning them you should be able to figure out what gets them going. Getting a dog to hunt is more of a waiting game more than anything and every dog is different, so while anyone can give you advice it's up to you to try it for yourself and see what works.

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I agree with Hillbilly56, however, before you quit messing with a caged coon, I suggest you take your live coon out in an open field near a woods line and turn it out in front of the pups. Make sure they see it. Let them chase it, fight if, or tree it. When it goes up, shoot it out. After that, hunt them one at a time with one broke dog. Works for me.

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Re: Kinda new to sport, Need Some help!

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Originally posted by SpiderBrandRED
I have a couple pups (9 and 7 mo. old). They will tree a house cat like no other, LOL. They'll go crazy on a caged coon and track a drag. However, I took the older pup with some finished dogs the other night for the first time. He hunted for about 15 minutes and came back. When they treed, we shot it out and the finished dogs latched onto it but my pup had no idea what was going on...How do i get him to stay with the other dogs? Do I just need to keep working drags and caged coons or keep taking them with the older, trained dogs. I'd appreciate any advice, thanks!

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Thanks for the help!

I've been looking for an older dog that will be good to train these pups with but money is a lil tight. I have let one live coon go in an open field next to woods but I had both pups and they chased into a hole not a tree. I will use your advice and keep just working with one pup at a time. I did tease the dog a little before I dragged the coon just so he'd know what I was dragging. When he came back after hunting for about 15 min he would stick within 100 yds but he had his nose stuck to the ground the entire time?

Keep the info coming, I really appreciate it!

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seems like i read a article by big trainer where he would
place a caged coon on a creek and then walked the pups
in that direction letting them find it.i was in your shoes
4yrs ago i found a spot where coon had been ran over on
the rd and put a trap there.

I agree with what has been said about turning a coon loose when the pup can see it and its a good hot track where the pup can smell it. (Same with dumping on one crossing the road) I was telling someone on another thread about something that works good for me, take a live coon and put a small dog collar and a long chain on it and run it up a small tree where the pups can see it, get them treeing good and pull the coon out and run it up another small tree again. Do this several times and get them treeing good and relizing where the coons go then they will start muzzling trees more and treeing by scent instead of barking at the sight of coons. Just an idea to try that has worked well for me.

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Originally posted by Derek Johnson
I agree with what has been said about turning a coon loose when the pup can see it and its a good hot track where the pup can smell it. (Same with dumping on one crossing the road) I was telling someone on another thread about something that works good for me, take a live coon and put a small dog collar and a long chain on it and run it up a small tree where the pups can see it, get them treeing good and pull the coon out and run it up another small tree again. Do this several times and get them treeing good and relizing where the coons go then they will start muzzling trees more and treeing by scent instead of barking at the sight of coons. Just an idea to try that has worked well for me.

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young man all u need to do is keep hunting your pups one at a time with 1 brook dog if it wer me i would get rid of one of the pups keep the best one let the other go if u are just starting u will have your hands full with one pup much less 2 good luck

I have been told that before and i think I will try collaring a coon. If I quit posting on hear you know the coon got the better of me. lol but i'm gonna keep hunting them with other dogs one at a time.

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I'd like you to video tape you collaring that coon, and post it on here. Thats something I would like to watch. Make sure it's a good sized one too.

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Originally posted by SpiderBrandRED
I have been told that before and i think I will try collaring a coon. If I quit posting on hear you know the coon got the better of me. lol but i'm gonna keep hunting them with other dogs one at a time.

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PATIENCE!!!!!! I have been hunting/training five pups for six months. It is slow go but it takes time. Your pups are still young. I had one start treeing at seven months, one was a near broke dog at ten months, one is doing okay at twelve months, one is hit and miss and one probably wont make eighteen months. They are all eleven-twelve months old now. Training pups together is tough but can be done. A lot depends on what you final use for the dog is going to be. If you plan to comp hunt them I would train them seperate. Also if they are really getting after a cage coon I would quit it and put them in the woods. Dont expect miracles, if the pup hunted fifteen minutes the first time out he did pretty good. And as long as his nose is to the ground he is hunting.

On collaring the coon, make a pole snare out of a piece of PVC pipe and it is quite easy to put on a collar. Just reach the snare into the trap and pull him out. Be sure to have a brave helper to put on the collar.

psiskjr

most of the advice on here is good.
Your pups are still young. Despite a lot of brags on the boards, most pups are still a little confused about what is going on at that age. When they do finally get it, it is often like a switch turns on in their head.
Keep taking the pups out in the woods--only one pup with one older dog-the older dog should be relatively slow and calm, so the pup can keep up and won't be intimidated by a possessive older hound. Don't overdo the caged coons and the drags--you want them to learn to find their own tracks. If its legal to put out a coon feeder, do that, and start them from near it.
Good luck!

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i will video it for ya chris...believe me, many things can be held solid with a hog catcher

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Im just giving you a hard time. Be careful with it no matter how you do it. They seem to be able to turn around in their skin. I have only been bitten once, and it was a "tame" coon. I cant imagine wrestling a wild one and collaring it. I like the idea of the pipe and snare.

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chris

I hope it goes as easy as I plan on it going because someone may get a kick out of it.

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just open his mouth give him 2 benadrill.i have heard
ether i dont know.

The way that we collar one is by using a hog snare but the PVC pipe would be cheaper than going and buying one. Since i brought up the collared coon subject please let me say agian, if you do this BE CAREFUL! I wouldn't feel to good about posting that if someone got tore up by one of those little mini bears lol