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Posted by greg stull on 12-21-2010 05:35 PM:

Babbling Dog?

I HAVE A FEMALE THAT DOES IT A LITTLE WITH OR WITHOUT COMPANY. SHE IS FAST TO GET STRUCK BUT DOES IT A LITTLE WHEN FIRST UNSNAPPED. I HAVE TRIED TO USE THE E COLLAR BUT SHE COMES BACK TO ME EVEN ON LOW OR TONE. WHAT CAN I TRY OR DO? I THINK THE E COLLAR IS NOW OUT OF THE QUESTION. MAYBE I SHOULD JUST EXCEPT IT! WHAT WOULD SOME OF YOU TRY TO DO? THIS DOG RUNS NO JUNK AND IS VERY ACCURATE.
THANKS YOU FOR ALL REPLIES.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-21-2010 05:36 PM:

Re: Babbling Dog?

quote:
Originally posted by greg stull
I HAVE A FEMALE THAT DOES IT A LITTLE WITH OR WITHOUT COMPANY. SHE IS FAST TO GET STRUCK BUT DOES IT A LITTLE WHEN FIRST UNSNAPPED. I HAVE TRIED TO USE THE E COLLAR BUT SHE COMES BACK TO ME EVEN ON LOW OR TONE. WHAT CAN I TRY OR DO? I THINK THE E COLLAR IS NOW OUT OF THE QUESTION. MAYBE I SHOULD JUST EXCEPT IT! WHAT WOULD SOME OF YOU TRY TO DO? THIS DOG RUNS NO JUNK AND IS VERY ACCURATE.
THANKS YOU FOR ALL REPLIES.

Take it as a fact of life!

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Posted by Rick Jordan on 12-21-2010 05:40 PM:

babbling dog

I broke a young dog a few years ago by keeping a zip lock
bag of corn meal in my pocket and just before I would cut loose I would throw a hand full of dry corn meal in his mouth and he would leave blowing and hacking but not barking and after a few times of that he quit babbling.

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Posted by JiM on 12-21-2010 06:18 PM:

Re: Babbling Dog?

quote:
Originally posted by greg stull
I HAVE A FEMALE THAT DOES IT A LITTLE WITH OR WITHOUT COMPANY. SHE IS FAST TO GET STRUCK BUT DOES IT A LITTLE WHEN FIRST UNSNAPPED. I HAVE TRIED TO USE THE E COLLAR BUT SHE COMES BACK TO ME EVEN ON LOW OR TONE. WHAT CAN I TRY OR DO? I THINK THE E COLLAR IS NOW OUT OF THE QUESTION. MAYBE I SHOULD JUST EXCEPT IT! WHAT WOULD SOME OF YOU TRY TO DO? THIS DOG RUNS NO JUNK AND IS VERY ACCURATE.
THANKS YOU FOR ALL REPLIES.

Perseverance.
Stick with the E-collar correction. If she comes back, just send her back in. Just make sure you are knowing the difference between an honest strike bark and the babbling. Pop her with a shock everytime she babble barks. Just stick with it.
Most training issues are not text book successes. You have to hang in there with them till you get the idea across. You're seldom done in easy one lesson.

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Posted by greg stull on 12-21-2010 06:34 PM:

Re: Re: Babbling Dog?

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Perseverance.
Stick with the E-collar correction. If she comes back, just send her back in. Just make sure you are knowing the difference between an honest strike bark and the babbling. Pop her with a shock everytime she babble barks. Just stick with it.
Most training issues are not text book successes. You have to hang in there with them till you get the idea across. You're seldom done in easy one lesson.

MR. SIZEMORE HER BABBLE IS WAY DIFFERENT THAN HER STRIKE. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A DOG THAT DOES IT ALONE LIKE SHE DOES. IM WONDERING IF IT MIGHT BE HER BREEDING.

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Posted by JiM on 12-21-2010 06:40 PM:

I wouldn't have any idea what the cause is and prolly wouldn't care. And just between you and me, if I ever get one like that, I will pat her on the head and strike her for 100 everytime. But I have never had a strike dog and prolly never will. But my answer to your question remains the same. Stick with her and the TriTronics.

Posted by greg stull on 12-21-2010 06:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I wouldn't have any idea what the cause is and prolly wouldn't care. And just between you and me, if I ever get one like that, I will pat her on the head and strike her for 100 everytime. But I have never had a strike dog and prolly never will. But my answer to your question remains the same. Stick with her and the TriTronics.

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-21-2010 07:19 PM:

Greg, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that earlier in this dog's life, before you started trying to break her from babbling, you used that very same E-collar to put a handle on her so you could call her off a track or a tree that you couldn't get to?

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-21-2010 07:28 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I wouldn't have any idea what the cause is and prolly wouldn't care. And just between you and me, if I ever get one like that, I will pat her on the head and strike her for 100 everytime. But I have never had a strike dog and prolly never will. But my answer to your question remains the same. Stick with her and the TriTronics.

JiM, I knew I liked you, but every few days I read something u have posted that makes me like u even more. Me, you, & everybody else knows there's a very few people that try to correct it. I've heard people argue that their dog was truly smelling a coon soon as we lined em up to cast, and 100 other excuses, but you're the 1st person I've seen that was man enough to tell the truth about what they'd do with one of those auto-strike dogs. For pleasure hunting, my preference is a tighter mouthed dog, but after a fella watches his dog do all the work for 2 hours just to get beat by a dog that was struck for 100 on a babble everytime & never sniffed a 1st tree all night long, it takes a mighty stubborn man not to loosen his morals & fight fire with fire! lol

Posted by JiM on 12-21-2010 07:31 PM:

Morals are a fine thing but not if you want to win in PKC, then you need a STRIKE DOG!

Posted by greg stull on 12-21-2010 07:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Greg, if I was a betting man, I'd bet that earlier in this dog's life, before you started trying to break her from babbling, you used that very same E-collar to put a handle on her so you could call her off a track or a tree that you couldn't get to?

THAT MIGHT BE THE CASE. I BOUGHT HER FROM MR. WIMP WHEN SHE WAS 1.5 YEAR OLD SO I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAINING SHE HAD BEFORE THE PURCHASE. BUT SHE HAS TREED COON FROM THE FIRST NIGHT I TURNED HER LOOSE. I WOULD THINK WITH HER LOOSE MOUTH SHE WOULD BE A ME TOO DOG BUT SHE NEVER BACKS ANOTHER DOG.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 12-21-2010 08:31 PM:

I hate a babbler, if i have a dog that starts its usually caused by cutting dogs togeather and letting them race away so i vary the way i cut em loose. One time i might cut another dog first and make em wait without barking, next time park where i can just open the box, next time send em in different directions. But what Works the best is to just hunt the stupid out of them,its amazing how many bad habbits disappear when a dog is hunted real hard night after night.

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Posted by psiskjr on 12-21-2010 08:32 PM:

One thing about an e-collar, they CANT be used for multiple training tasks simutaneously. It will only confuse and possible make the problem worse. I wouldnt worry about it myself if she was a coondog. If that was my worst problem I would just be tickled pink!!!!

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Posted by Bluedogman on 12-21-2010 08:42 PM:

They are called automatic strike dogs aren't they!

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Posted by greg mccall on 12-21-2010 08:46 PM:

babbling dog

sir i dont know you but it sounds to me like you have a dog that is worth straighting out . if you will take that E collor put it on high and hold the button down for a few seconds let her know you are tired of it!! and that when she does that she will pay if she comes back throw her in the truck take her somewhere else throw her out again repeat the same she will quit.. a dog is just like a child give a inch take a mile. i live in the mountains of eastern ky they have to be honest or the coon will be in a den. all a dog can be is as serious as the owner . i hope i didnt say nothing wrong to sound smart i hope this will help. if she keeps her babbling down and trees a coon pet her real good and give it to her she will have to figure it out.......

Posted by greg stull on 12-21-2010 09:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Bluedogman
They are called automatic strike dogs aren't they!

SHE'S NOT A AUTOMATIC STRIKE DOG JUST BABBLES A LITTLE FOR A FEW SECONDS. THEN WILL GO GET STRUCK SOMEWHERE. WHEN I THINK AUTOMATIC DOG I THINK STRIKE OFF THE LEAD BABBLE UNTIL STRUCK. SHE DOESN'T DO THAT.

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Posted by chris baker on 12-21-2010 11:33 PM:

if she does it for a few seconds then quits, strike her honest and keep hunting her. She should get better if you hunt her alone but I have never seen one do it alone either. Hunt the fire out of her and see if she settles down. Be prepaired to catch some heat over it in the hunts if you take those first strikes though. Even after she goes on people will still try and say she is loose mouthing.

Posted by JLingle_bluedog on 12-22-2010 12:58 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by john Duemmer
I hate a babbler, if i have a dog that starts its usually caused by cutting dogs togeather and letting them race away so i vary the way i cut em loose. One time i might cut another dog first and make em wait without barking, next time park where i can just open the box, next time send em in different directions. But what Works the best is to just hunt the stupid out of them,its amazing how many bad habbits disappear when a dog is hunted real hard night after night.

I agree, switch it up at the beginning of each drop. Not being smart but provided your dog listens why would'nt hollaring hush work? It's what I've always done and it's always worked. Having a dog that listens is key, them knowing that you're in charge at all times. Possible things to eliminate that may be leading to the cause of this problem: Excitement from you, other dogs, drops where a track may have already been present, not being in charge from the time you load up till the time you go home and that's the biggest one.

Good luck with whatever you may try, Jordan.

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-22-2010 12:09 PM:

Before you crank the e-collar up to the max & scramble her brains like some seem to be suggesting, see if you can't hunt the dog down, and by down I mean too tired to pace in the dog pen or even step outside the dog house other than to drink & eat until it gets dark. I have a Sun pup here that is wild as they come. If I don't keep him hunted down and pretty tired, or when he lays-up a couple days & gains all that extra energy back, he stays so wired-up & hyper till he is liable to do most ANYTHING when he's turned loose. If you're able to hunt 5-6 nights a week or have a hunting buddy you trust to help u tag-team the dog, try wearing her down before you do anymore with the shock collar. The dog's already confused. I don't believe she knows why your shocking her, or at least she thinks you're shocking her for some entirely different reason. Shock collars are a great tool, so long as u really & truly know what you're doing, & as long as the dog hasn't been shocked by someone else like a previous owner for something & you're correcting her for another.

If Wimp had her then I'm pretty sure he used an e-collar to put a handle on her. The good thing is that knowing Wimp Aron used it on her, then she hasn't been screwed-up, & u will just have to gradually re-trainer her with the e-collar if wearing her down doesn't work

This is part of the reason I stopped using a shock collar to bring a dog in. It confuses other things other corrections if you're not bad lucky. If my young dog gets on a deer & I shock him off of it, I don't want him coming back into me. I want him to get off the deer & go find me a coon. Some people never can get that idea thru their head, & they wind up with a 5-6yr old dog that when the other dogs in the cast jump a deer, as soon as he figures it out he's back at their feet getting the 15/30min working on him, and his owner just can't understand why he comes back instead of leaving the trashy fools alone & treeing a coon

The other reason is the vast majority of dogs that have handles applied with an e-collar, only have a good handle as long as they're wearing a nice & charged-up T.T. necklace. If you leave it at home(some dogs can tell when the battery's dead), then u better hope u can get to them. It takes alot longer to train it into them in the backyard with only a long rope & a choke-chain, but they don't forget that lesson like they do one learned by negative reinforcement.

Posted by greg stull on 12-23-2010 01:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Before you crank the e-collar up to the max & scramble her brains like some seem to be suggesting, see if you can't hunt the dog down, and by down I mean too tired to pace in the dog pen or even step outside the dog house other than to drink & eat until it gets dark. I have a Sun pup here that is wild as they come. If I don't keep him hunted down and pretty tired, or when he lays-up a couple days & gains all that extra energy back, he stays so wired-up & hyper till he is liable to do most ANYTHING when he's turned loose. If you're able to hunt 5-6 nights a week or have a hunting buddy you trust to help u tag-team the dog, try wearing her down before you do anymore with the shock collar. The dog's already confused. I don't believe she knows why your shocking her, or at least she thinks you're shocking her for some entirely different reason. Shock collars are a great tool, so long as u really & truly know what you're doing, & as long as the dog hasn't been shocked by someone else like a previous owner for something & you're correcting her for another.
she has got a good handle on her for sure. doesn't pull walks on the left side and is very gentle. she doesn't jack tree and stays in place on the tree and sometimes she sits down and trees.
thank you for your time.
If Wimp had her then I'm pretty sure he used an e-collar to put a handle on her. The good thing is that knowing Wimp Aron used it on her, then she hasn't been screwed-up, & u will just have to gradually re-trainer her with the e-collar if wearing her down doesn't work

This is part of the reason I stopped using a shock collar to bring a dog in. It confuses other things other corrections if you're not bad lucky. If my young dog gets on a deer & I shock him off of it, I don't want him coming back into me. I want him to get off the deer & go find me a coon. Some people never can get that idea thru their head, & they wind up with a 5-6yr old dog that when the other dogs in the cast jump a deer, as soon as he figures it out he's back at their feet getting the 15/30min working on him, and his owner just can't understand why he comes back instead of leaving the trashy fools alone & treeing a coon

The other reason is the vast majority of dogs that have handles applied with an e-collar, only have a good handle as long as they're wearing a nice & charged-up T.T. necklace. If you leave it at home(some dogs can tell when the battery's dead), then u better hope u can get to them. It takes alot longer to train it into them in the backyard with only a long rope & a choke-chain, but they don't forget that lesson like they do one learned by negative reinforcement.

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Posted by greg stull on 12-23-2010 01:32 PM:

thanks for ya'lls time. and russ she does handle very well one of the better handling dogs i've ever seen.

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Posted by Russell Boyette on 12-23-2010 02:22 PM:

Greg, I'm not sure where in MS you're from, but you should ride over him sometime and go a huntin' with us.

Posted by greg stull on 12-23-2010 02:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Russell Boyette
Greg, I'm not sure where in MS you're from, but you should ride over him sometime and go a huntin' with us.

IM IN TATE COUNTY 30 MIN SOUTH OF MEMPHIS TENN. I WILL MAKE A TRIP OVER IF YA'LL WILL DO THE SAME AND COME OVER HERE SOMETIMES. WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM.

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