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Posted by russ hayes on 10-24-2010 02:57 PM:

What about this?

I noticed a rule proposal about countdown on the tree,because people don't want a tree backing dog getting points.I did see it failed.My question is what about the hitch hiking dog that gets struck/pitched in for 2nd or 3rd strike never says a word on the track while the other dogs keep the track moving then just falls treed.If you are going to take points from the 2nd tree dog then there should be a way to take points from a hitch hiking track dog.

Posted by jamie stall on 10-24-2010 03:14 PM:

just because a dog s not saying anything on track doesnt mean hes not running the track

Posted by russ hayes on 10-24-2010 03:19 PM:

How do you know that?i guess just because a dog is not barking at the tree does not mean he was not the first one at tree.

Posted by JiM on 10-24-2010 03:30 PM:

there should be a way to take points from a hitch hiking track dog.

Ok, tell us how you would propose to do this. How do you intend for the judge to even identify this hitch hiking track dog? How would you take points from him? And you might want to keep in mind that most judges don't have the stones to minus an obvious babbler.

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Posted by russ hayes on 10-24-2010 04:45 PM:

scratch the silent trailing hound is how i would do it.Everybody is worried about the tree points and wants the me too dog punished and i agree they don't deserve the points of a first tree dog.But it is getting old drawing dogs that are struck on house dogs,sirens,coyotes and every other noise in the woods.The open trailing dogs works the track the way it is supposed to be done and gets no benefit.Also the minute rule takes care of most the babblers,and in the last 5 hunts i have been in i have drawn way more silent dogs than babblers.

Posted by jamie stall on 10-24-2010 11:20 PM:

you need to scratch the babblers, that minute rule sucks. if he is unsnapped and babbles he should be scratched. do you know how many dogs run silent a lot. i have been beat by the dog s you are talking about there is a lot more wrong in the hunts then a silent dog.

Posted by GA DAWG on 10-24-2010 11:28 PM:

I'd rather have 10 silent or semi silent dogs as I had 1 babbler!!!!!!!! Most open trailing dogs are just trailing other dogs anyhow..The minute rule does nothing to the babbling loosed mouth idiots! I must live in the wrong part of the country or something..

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 10-24-2010 11:38 PM:

Re: What about this?

quote:
Originally posted by russ hayes
I noticed a rule proposal about countdown on the tree,because people don't want a tree backing dog getting points.I did see it failed.My question is what about the hitch hiking dog that gets struck/pitched in for 2nd or 3rd strike never says a word on the track while the other dogs keep the track moving then just falls treed.If you are going to take points from the 2nd tree dog then there should be a way to take points from a hitch hiking track dog.

pitching calling somebody else dog thought we already had rules
for it maybe Jim can give you a #

Posted by russ hayes on 10-25-2010 03:06 AM:

bottom line silent dogs need scratched,and the response to this post just confirms what i already new.Most people are hunting silent dogs so they don't want anything done about it.Go getem boys

Posted by patches9452 on 10-25-2010 03:20 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I'd rather have 10 silent or semi silent dogs as I had 1 babbler!!!!!!!! Most open trailing dogs are just trailing other dogs anyhow..The minute rule does nothing to the babbling loosed mouth idiots! I must live in the wrong part of the country or something..

what are they doing when they open and are by thierselves... running ghost

Posted by JiM on 10-25-2010 04:47 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by russ hayes
bottom line silent dogs need scratched,and the response to this post just confirms what i already new.Most people are hunting silent dogs so they don't want anything done about it.Go getem boys

You might need to look at your rules a little closer. We already have a rule that scratches dogs that are silent, 6(i). If you draw a silent dog, use the rule.

Posted by beardenrents on 10-25-2010 01:47 PM:

new to comp hunting

I have a dog that is mostly silent on track. She normally trees well ahead of other dogs or by herself. She is truly about 80% accurate. I hunt her by herself most of the time. Why does being mostly silent bother the comp guys if she is accurate and has two looking down? I would think a dog like her would be considered a better dog than the one coming in to back her or the one treeing trees.

Posted by patches9452 on 10-25-2010 02:38 PM:

Re: new to comp hunting

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
I have a dog that is mostly silent on track. She normally trees well ahead of other dogs or by herself. She is truly about 80% accurate. I hunt her by herself most of the time. Why does being mostly silent bother the comp guys if she is accurate and has two looking down? I would think a dog like her would be considered a better dog than the one coming in to back her or the one treeing trees.

because the rules say open track dog

Posted by pigsit on 10-25-2010 02:39 PM:

Re: new to comp hunting

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents
I have a dog that is mostly silent on track. She normally trees well ahead of other dogs or by herself. She is truly about 80% accurate. I hunt her by herself most of the time. Why does being mostly silent bother the comp guys if she is accurate and has two looking down? I would think a dog like her would be considered a better dog than the one coming in to back her or the one treeing trees.

The problem with the silent dog, is they take no pressure on track, while the rest are struck in and working track," still mouth Sue", is cruising the woods lookin for a coon she can "jamb up". Personally, I'm looking for a dog that can strike a track and move that track as efficiently as possible to the tree, locate and tree the coon, but hunt what you want; it's a free country. Tom

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Posted by beardenrents on 10-25-2010 02:57 PM:

thanks.

I appreciate the replies. I am new to comp hunting. I have a couple of males that are open on track. Neither of which are near as accurate as her. When i go pleasure hunting ,and turn more than one dog loose, i will be going to two different trees. They are all very independent. She just seems to be more accurate. Again i wasn't trying to start an argument, just trying to learn.

Posted by perry co cooner on 10-25-2010 06:01 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by GA DAWG
I'd rather have 10 silent or semi silent dogs as I had 1 babbler!!!!!!!! Most open trailing dogs are just trailing other dogs anyhow..The minute rule does nothing to the babbling loosed mouth idiots! I must live in the wrong part of the country or something..

You're full of it with your comment that most open trailing dogs are running other dogs. Why would you ever even say something like that? Babbling dogs and open trailing dogs are two entirely different things my friend.

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Posted by jamie stall on 10-25-2010 11:44 PM:

russ hayes

just to let you know my dog opens on track, there is a difference in silent dogs and hitch hikers

Posted by GA DAWG on 10-26-2010 12:06 AM:

Re: new to comp hunting

quote:
Originally posted by beardenrents I have a dog that is mostly silent on track. She normally trees well ahead of other dogs or by herself. She is truly about 80% accurate. I hunt her by herself most of the time. Why does being mostly silent bother the comp guys if she is accurate and has two looking down?

Reason it bothers them is because when our tight mouth dogs open a coon is about to be treed and ol hitch hiker could not do his thing cause ol quite dog done slipped off!!

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Posted by russ hayes on 10-26-2010 12:51 AM:

I have owned blue heelers,norwegian elkhounds,airedale terriers and even a rat terrier that could all go through the woods checking trees and tree a racoon.Don't really see anything special about that.A dog that trails one up through the brush,creeks, tree tops(barking on the trail) and then selects the right is a much different type dog.You guys keep hunting the silent hitch hikers to each his own but from now on i will do as jim suggested and scratch the silent dog.

Posted by nccoonhunter197 on 10-26-2010 01:17 AM:

The reason the rule is there is because hounds are supposed to be open trailing hounds. Scent hounds open on track and this allows the handler to follow his hound as it moves the track and finally trees the game. Same as with beagles and fox hounds. Being tight mouthed in one of these groups will get them a bullet. To much tree has been bred in and track bred out. JMO And I hunt Walkers.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-26-2010 09:52 PM:

I've never hunted with but one dog that I'd consider silent anyhow..That night you could not have scratched him for it..He located a tree and the guy struck him then he moved on out a 100 yards and treed..Far more babblers out there than silent dogs..Probably 100 to 1.

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Posted by tenntreedog on 10-28-2010 08:50 PM:

Had a black & tan dog 45 yrs.ago that I road hunted as well as drop hunted all I know is when he treed get the gun cause he had the meat.when he was young he was junky opened every breath on off game.no shock collars back then just run him down stomp him real good out of a litter of 10 pups was the only silent one.had a hunting buddy that hated him cause when his dog opend on track my dog would always be sitting at the tree waiting on him.never comp. hunted back then but If I had him now he would win 95% of his cast.

Posted by joey bourne on 10-28-2010 09:20 PM:

Re: What about this?

quote:
Originally posted by russ hayes
I noticed a rule proposal about countdown on the tree,because people don't want a tree backing dog getting points.I did see it failed.My question is what about the hitch hiking dog that gets struck/pitched in for 2nd or 3rd strike never says a word on the track while the other dogs keep the track moving then just falls treed.If you are going to take points from the 2nd tree dog then there should be a way to take points from a hitch hiking track dog.

Not taking points from 2nd place dog if its there in a min or less. I don't have a problem with a silent dog but it is against rules via 6(i). But there is alot of hounds that covers tree's just before the 5 catches it. I wish they would have the proggressive tree rule and eliminate strike points and just let all dogs hunt. BABBLERS (WHICH I HATE MORE THAN SPIDERS) AS WELL AS SILENT DOGS (TO WHICH I WOULDN'T OWN PERSONAL PREFFERENCE). What do ya'll think about this rule change. MEEEEETOOOO DOGS GET 25 TO 50 A TREE. I bet the me too babblers would not be as popular with that rule.

Posted by patches9452 on 10-29-2010 01:51 AM:

what most people hate but want say is they hate getting beat by a second tree dog dont punish him get a better one

Posted by joey bourne on 10-29-2010 02:09 AM:

LOOSE MOUTH 1ST STRIKE MEETOO 2ND TREE 175 THATS PRETTY STRONG. NOT A BAD SCORE JUST TO TAGGING ALONG.

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