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Posted by josh on 10-05-2010 03:20 PM:

Rule Question?

Hunt time is over, 3 dogs are declared treed before time ran out.

Can a Garmin be turned on at this point?

Posted by Captain-Jack on 10-05-2010 03:25 PM:

Re: Rule Question?

quote:
Originally posted by josh
Hunt time is over, 3 dogs are declared treed before time ran out.

Can a Garmin be turned on at this point?

What are you trying to start here ?

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Posted by Adam Whitehead on 10-05-2010 03:29 PM:

No the Garmin can not be used.

Why do ya'll make out like THE RULES are so difficult to understand?
Are you going to score the tree?
Why do you need a Garmin anyway?
Can you not hear your dog?

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Posted by Captain-Jack on 10-05-2010 03:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam Whitehead
No the Garmin can not be used.

Why do ya'll make out like THE RULES are so difficult to understand?
Are you going to score the tree?
Why do you need a Garmin anyway?
Can you not hear your dog?

Board has been boring lately and Josh would like to see it spiced up. I thinkg you can turn it on since hunt is over thats what it says right ? (NOt During Hunt time)

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-05-2010 03:34 PM:

Hunt time is over. I don't see what it would hurt to see what side of the creek/ river they are on to save a long walk or find the easiest way to them. You can use them on a time out to find a safe way to them I beleive.

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Posted by amblue on 10-05-2010 03:49 PM:

hunt is not over until these trees are scored therefore subject to penalties for using the garmin

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Posted by hound-hunter101 on 10-05-2010 03:59 PM:

Well heck no you cant use it until AFTER the tree or trees have been scored! Next question please.

Posted by josh on 10-05-2010 06:11 PM:

Please excuse my ignorance.

I would tend to believe Allan will go with leaving the garmin off untill the tree is scored, but he has suprised me before.

A garmin can be left on in the truck, What do you experts have to say about driving to score that last tree?

Its good to know we have some real rule guru's on here.

Posted by Allen / UKC on 10-05-2010 06:35 PM:

Josh, I would go with leaving them off until the hunt is "completely" over. And, to further clarify; the hunt ain't over until the last tree is scored.

Posted by josh on 10-05-2010 06:54 PM:

Thanks for the reply Allen.

Posted by cbcoonskinner on 10-05-2010 07:32 PM:

Leave them off till tree is scored, If you use them to see which side of the river,canyon or mountain, so you can get to them quicker then you have an advantage over other cast to make it in before the deadline.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 10-05-2010 07:45 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cbcoonskinner
Leave them off till tree is scored, If you use them to see which side of the river,canyon or mountain, so you can get to them quicker then you have an advantage over other cast to make it in before the deadline.

Hadn't thought about that one. That is a good point. I would go with what Allen said no matter what anyway but I would say your reason is the reason for the rule.

Posted by Cornbelt on 10-05-2010 09:28 PM:

IMO not allowing a tracker to be turned on after hunt time has expired makes no sense. What advantage is there to be gained at this point? What if my dog is still at large and I'd like to make sure he isn't near a road?

I'm sorry but not wanting someone to use a tracking device because it might make it possible for them to be back by the deadline is ridiculous. What if you hunted 5 minutes from the club and I had to drive an hour, is that fair???? If the dog treed and had the meat shouldn't that be the deciding factor instead of the cast had to walk around the river and then wait for everyone to turn on their trackers and find their dogs and because of that didn't make the deadline?

So far the reasons to not allow a tracking device is because it might make the cast have to walk further to score the tree. And it would make it take longer before cast members could gather up their hounds, thus causing them to miss the deadline.

The reasons to allow tracking devices after hunt time has expired are it could help you get to the treed dog faster and it could allow other cast members to catch their dogs quicker, thus allowing the cast to make the deadline. And it could also help keep dogs out of danger or from having an accident on a road.

Anyone have a good reason to not allow a tracking device to be turned on after the hunt time expires?

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Posted by WEBBER on 10-05-2010 09:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cornbelt

Anyone have a good reason to not allow a tracking device to be turned on after the hunt time expires?

Yes, cause UKC said so.

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Posted by john Duemmer on 10-05-2010 09:41 PM:

I asked a similar question a couple weeks ago about turning on the garmin to find my dog after i had withdrawn and was told i couldnt. Seems this only serves to encourage hunters to leave the cast to make sure their dog is safe, when UKC. says they want to encourage hunters to stay until the end.

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Posted by Cornbelt on 10-05-2010 11:39 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by WEBBER
Yes, cause UKC said so.

And Government health care will be good because Obama says so. Just because someone says so doesn't make it a good reason. It might make it a rule..... but not a good reason or a rule that supports good reasoning.

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Posted by Adam Whitehead on 10-05-2010 11:52 PM:

Remember...YOU paid to play....it's the RULES.... if you don't like them don't pay to play

It amazes me how much complaining is made over rules that are in place for a reason and yet gripe gripe gripe simply AMAZING

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Posted by hitman1881 on 10-05-2010 11:54 PM:

right on Kyle...

rules are rules ...but that does not mean they are all good ones.

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Posted by GA DAWG on 10-06-2010 12:18 AM:

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Originally posted by john Duemmer I asked a similar question a couple weeks ago about turning on the garmin to find my dog after i had withdrawn and was told i couldnt. Seems this only serves to encourage hunters to leave the cast to make sure their dog is safe, when UKC. says they want to encourage hunters to stay until the end.

Who told you you couldnt? If I withdraw.I cant turn it on? Yeah right. I will be barred I guess.

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Posted by Cornbelt on 10-06-2010 07:20 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam Whitehead
Remember...YOU paid to play....it's the RULES.... if you don't like them don't pay to play

It amazes me how much complaining is made over rules that are in place for a reason and yet gripe gripe gripe simply AMAZING

Rule 8.
(l) For use of any device used to control or locate dog prior to cast completing hunt time. (Locating device may be used during time outs.) Lighted collars are not considered to be a locating device and are allowed.

Read the rule..... it clearly states you can use a locating device when hunt time is over. I would consider the hunt time over after the cast has used 120 minutes of hunt time. Now Allen says you have to wait until the last tree is scored. IMO this interpretation leads to another question. What if a dog is treed during timeout can cast members use locating devices to try to catch their dog before the hour gets them or do they have to wait until the tree is scored?

I'm not griping about the rule. I'm griping about the way ukc has made an interpretation that seems to go against what the rule actually says. Oh and the fact that it makes no sense to interpret the rule this way.

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Posted by Virgil on 10-06-2010 07:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Cornbelt
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(l) What if a dog is treed during timeout can cast members use locating devices to try to catch their dog before the hour gets them or do they have to wait until the tree is scored?

How can you tree a dog during timeout??

Either the dog is treed and you have to score it before timeout or if it comes treed after timeout is called you dont have to score it because it doesnt matter.

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Posted by OLD HENRY on 10-06-2010 07:44 PM:

read the rulebook josh , always starting trouble ,

Posted by Fred Harroun on 10-06-2010 09:00 PM:

kyle

like allen said hunt time isnt over till last tree is scored.josh said dogs were called treed then hunt time ran out but the tree still has to be scored.

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Posted by goodtimekennel on 10-06-2010 09:32 PM:

garmin rule

time out is called because dogs are trailing toward hiway, now can a garmin be used after a time out is called. the hunt is not over we just needed to catch and move to a new location because of a road

Posted by Cornbelt on 10-07-2010 02:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Virgil
How can you tree a dog during timeout??

Either the dog is treed and you have to score it before timeout or if it comes treed after timeout is called you dont have to score it because it doesnt matter.

Ok dog is treed across the river and the other dogs are heard heading onto land you don't have permission to hunt on. Guide says we need to call timeout to get those dogs. We still have to score dogs tree who was treed BEFORE timeout was called but is still considered treed during timeout. Now that timeout has been how do we proceed? Can trackers be turned on before we score the tree? If so why would this be any different when scoring a tree after hunt time expired?

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