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Posted by shakethevine on 07-17-2010 07:17 AM:

3 Dog Cast Question......

We were talking about this tonight, and I was wondering if we decided right on the best way to handle this...

3 dog cast; Dogs A & B treed 300 yards from dog C that is also treed. Handler of dog C goes and leashes his dog then goes to help shine dogs A & B's tree. While they are shining, dog C chews through his leash, goes back out hunting, hits a track and takes it out of hearing.

Scoring? Timeouts? What do we do?

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Posted by TREE BLITZIN on 07-17-2010 07:35 AM:

the dog was handled you sore his tree is the way i take it right ??? i had a similar instance the judge told us to handle our dogs well before i could ge the leash on mine a branch fall out of the dead tree they are treeing on and when it hits the ground mt bitch thinks its the coon so she goes and sniffs it other cast members want to minus her but judge says once i say all dogs can be leashed trree is dead you can't minus her is that right ??

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Posted by HrdStrknKennels on 07-17-2010 10:03 AM:

i would say the tree should be scored bc the dog was handled there.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 07-17-2010 10:35 AM:

you have to score the dog that treed 1st.
buy c a better lead.4c

Posted by on 07-17-2010 02:42 PM:

I believe dog C gets minus tree points and continues to carry his strike points.
You cannot score the tree if the dog is not there and leashed.

Posted by Clay Lautzenhiser on 07-17-2010 02:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I believe dog C gets minus tree points and continues to carry his strike points.
You cannot score the tree if the dog is not there and leashed.

Man Jim you are one smart cookie!!

Thats the way I see it.

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Posted by shakethevine on 07-17-2010 06:43 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
I believe dog C gets minus tree points and continues to carry his strike points.
You cannot score the tree if the dog is not there and leashed.

Thats kinda what I was thinking Jim, but two judges and a MOH decided that the best way to handle it was "that dog (C) was handled at one point and it should be scored as the dog (C) was still there."

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Posted by Blackwater Pete on 07-17-2010 07:24 PM:

So if that tree was slick would the dog get 250-?

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Posted by josh on 07-17-2010 07:46 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shakethevine
Thats kinda what I was thinking Jim, but two judges and a MOH decided that the best way to handle it was "that dog (C) was handled at one point and it should be scored as the dog (C) was still there."

Judges and MOH's have the right to be as wrong as anyone...

I agree with JiM, minus tree, carry on with strike.

Posted by on 07-17-2010 08:07 PM:

Blackwater Pete So if that tree was slick would the dog get 250-?

I'm not sure how you are coming up with 250- but the way I would judge it is dog C minused 125 for leaving tree and continues on with what ever points he was struck for on the card.

Posted by on 07-17-2010 08:44 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
Judges and MOH's have the right to be as wrong as anyone...

I agree with JiM, minus tree, carry on with strike.

I agree strongly with both statements.

Posted by Blackwater Pete on 07-17-2010 08:57 PM:

Jim I was out of line thinking to hard. I do agree that the dog should be minused for leaving the tree. However if they scored the tree and found nothing the dog would get -125 and then another -125 because he left. this is what I was getting at.

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Posted by usmccoonhunter on 07-19-2010 06:52 PM:

In this example dog c would get scored on the tree he was treed into. The dog was seen by the judge, handler was told to handle him, he did then the lead breaks. Whatever scoring happens at that tree dog c gets. Now if the rest of the cast decides to call time out then you have one hr to catch ur dog. But for the tree he would get scored accordingly.

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Posted by mudcreek on 07-19-2010 07:20 PM:

The dog left the tree, you minus for leaving trees. Simple enough. I would think if the dog had a coon it should stay leashed or not.

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Posted by jculler8 on 07-19-2010 07:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by usmccoonhunter
In this example dog c would get scored on the tree he was treed into. The dog was seen by the judge, handler was told to handle him, he did then the lead breaks. Whatever scoring happens at that tree dog c gets. Now if the rest of the cast decides to call time out then you have one hr to catch ur dog. But for the tree he would get scored accordingly.

How would you even be able to prove which tree the dog was treed on before it left?

I as a handler have gone to leash my dog and then go score another tree several times. If my dog chewed threw its lead and left, I can almost guarantee I would not remember exactly which tree it was treed on before it left!

You aren't allowed to shine a tree before shine time anyways...

Only way to know for sure which tree the dog was on would to have a spectator stay at the tree while you went to shine, but spectators don't have any say in the cast anyways.

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Posted by jculler8 on 07-19-2010 07:25 PM:

quote:
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The dog left the tree, you minus for leaving trees. Simple enough. I would think if the dog had a coon it should stay leashed or not.

Exactly! Then you'd have people saying, "My dog chewed through the leash because that coon jumped! Plus em up! He ain't never left a tree before unless a coon jumped!"

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Posted by on 07-19-2010 07:37 PM:

You'd have a tough time convincing me to score a tree that doesn't have a dog under it. Even if it was treed with company and it leaves after its been handled, that dog is taking minus. Its unfortunate, but thats the way it is. Get a better lead strap. I've got one that will chew off a leather or day-glo lead, those plastic coated cable leads are all I use. Before being aware of this, I've had her chew off her leather lead where she was handled and get back on the tree treeing, thankfully. Even if a dog chews off its lead or the sapling its tied to, that's no excuse to leave the tree.

Dog is minused tree points and strike points remain open.

Posted by TicksAlwaysSlik on 07-19-2010 07:39 PM:

if they was a coon in tha tree... why wouldnt the dog go right back to the tree? instead of going off hunting if a coon went up that tree ud think the dog would go to it.

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-19-2010 07:52 PM:

Score a and b's tree. Minuse c , call time out and go find c. Then continue hunting.
Oh and get a better leash.

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Posted by josh on 07-19-2010 10:36 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Okie Dawg
Score a and b's tree. Minuse c , call time out and go find c. Then continue hunting.
Oh and get a better leash.

What are you going to do with C's strike?

Posted by mudcreek on 07-19-2010 10:58 PM:

quote:
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What are you going to do with C's strike?

It would be deleted when calling timeout.

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Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 07-19-2010 11:04 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
What are you going to do with C's strike?

i would thank any time there was danger to a dog or hunter
time out could be called

Posted by josh on 07-19-2010 11:05 PM:

What is the reason for calling time out with a dog out trailing?

Posted by Okie Dawg on 07-19-2010 11:08 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by mudcreek
It would be deleted when calling timeout.

I would think it is deleted since you have to call time out to find it. Unless the cast wants to walk toward your dog till they can hear it and cast there dogs. In that case the dog is still struck in.

Posted by Lee Currens Jr. on 07-19-2010 11:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by josh
What is the reason for calling time out with a dog out trailing?

i would say part of a dog lead on it.i dont turn mine loose
that way do you to get hung in a fence etc

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