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Posted by Larry Atherton on 06-01-2010 05:42 PM:

A new twist to DNA samples

http://www.dog-dna.com/

What breeds are your mutt made up from? It might be interesting to see what lines have some bird dog, bull dog, or collie.lol

Maybe at some point they may be willing to deem a dog as a pure bred through DNA testing.

Anyway, ya look at it DNA progress is very interesting.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 06-01-2010 06:17 PM:

Some How I have grave Doubts of What your Getting For $100.00

English coonhounds are comprised of at least 3 different Breeds so how could you posibly get a True Base Line. The Sampling would have to be emence !!

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Posted by rmcmillan on 06-01-2010 07:31 PM:

once hunted with a really good looking engish dog ( reg english ) she had bird dog in her. that is what the owner said anyhow. she treed good. so maybe statement should say four breeds in english. LOL

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 06-01-2010 07:53 PM:

I suspect that our beloved coon hounds would have much more hid'in in the wood pile than many of us would like to admit.

Ya have to remember this is aimed at mixed breeds. Frankly, who would pay $100.00 to find out what breeds make up Heinz 57????

I just thought it was interesting.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 06-01-2010 08:34 PM:

Larry it is very Interesting !!

Their a good size Group of Us that would love to know just how much of this French Hound is Still left in the Bluetick and English Breed ..

I also wonder how many markers their developing to determine Origin ..

I have only glanced over their Site maybe it tells ..

Posted by cedarhillkennel on 06-01-2010 08:45 PM:

yes indeed it is interesting especialy in steves case as he press on forward with his french hounds. too bad it cost 100.00 though and i wonder how accurate it realy is

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Posted by HOBO on 06-01-2010 08:47 PM:

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Some How I have grave Doubts of What your Getting For $100.00

English coonhounds are comprised of at least 3 different Breeds so how could you posibly get a True Base Line. The Sampling would have to be emence !!

Their not comprised of three breeds.. It's just that two breeds broke away from the English breed.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 06-01-2010 08:57 PM:

I think it would be very interesting to see what actuallly was in them.

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Posted by Majestic Tree H on 06-01-2010 09:10 PM:

Dennis the English Breed prior to the "Name Changes" was a Mixing pot of "Different Breeds" but not necessarily the Same Blood line or Origins. Their were Walker Breeders that had well established Bloodlines prior to 1900 .. The "Break a Way" was only New Names and nothing More. Their were Many "Bluetick Breeders" 20 year Prior to the Name Changes

Posted by wildbill on 06-01-2010 09:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by cedarhillkennel
yes indeed it is interesting especialy in steves case as he press on forward with his french hounds. too bad it cost 100.00 though and i wonder how accurate it realy is

$100 would be cheep when you consider you will have 3-4 times that much in regstering a dog in 5-6 different kennel clubs

it would be cheep to know before investing in a dog that could distroy your whole breeding program,,

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Posted by Dentre on 06-02-2010 01:53 AM:

The past hounds

There are a lot of people still bringing up the old hounds. Thats fine but I want to see the great greandpa and grandpa and Dad out in the woods. To many people {older hunters} bring up the past. Those dogs aren"t as good as today's dogs are. Today's dogs would tree five coon to there one.

Posted by HOBO on 06-02-2010 02:02 AM:

Re: The past hounds

quote:
Originally posted by Dentre
There are a lot of people still bringing up the old hounds. Thats fine but I want to see the great greandpa and grandpa and Dad out in the woods. To many people {older hunters} bring up the past. Those dogs aren"t as good as today's dogs are. Today's dogs would tree five coon to there one.

This oughta get good fast.

Posted by l.lyle on 06-02-2010 03:37 AM:

A friend told me about his hunt last night. He turned out one dog and his buddy turned out two. Each one had a dog get split treed pretty quick. About twenty minutes passed and they were back to the truck and checked the GPS and the beep beep to no avail. They started riding and checking. The other guys Uncle called and told him his wife had just gone into labor and to come on quick. They were about 5 miles toward home when both of them turned to each other and asked if that was a dog. They stopped as the dog was passing them and sure enough, it was him.

The guy said the Gps had recorded 0.6 mi up a branch, 2.2 mi down a two rut, 2.8 down a county dirt road and then and then 3 mi down the pavement, which was 1/4 mile before he got to a major highway in a little over an hour. GPS said the dog averaged hunting at 8.5 mph.

Maybe DNA could develop a marker to predict that. I know where there's a "new fangled" hound for sale if any body"s interested.

Posted by Cynthia on 06-02-2010 04:04 AM:

its by MMI genomics, which i think is the same company that does the dna testing for ukc now. all of the coonhound breeds (except redbone) are already listed in the available breeds list.

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 06-02-2010 11:17 AM:

I am convinced some bird dog genes were introduced toi the English breed by a couple of well known studs.

Most other breeds have "behind the barn" genes in them.

It is too late to go back but I think gene identification is in the future of all breeds of dogs.

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 06-02-2010 01:09 PM:

LAKELAND i have heard that too,but what specificaly makes you so conviced of the bird dog genes....not arguing just looking for a little education.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 06-02-2010 01:30 PM:

The Canine Heritage Breed Test began with the search for a set of unique DNA markers, known as SNPs (Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms), which could identify the breed of a purebred dog. We started by testing over 400 different DNA markers on over 100 purebred breeds* to identify the unique combination of markers that describe each breed. After testing thousands of purebred dogs, a unique breed DNA profile was developed using over 400 DNA markers per breed. From these initial markers we identified a smaller subset of markers used for the Canine Heritage Breed Test. This final marker set, based on a blind study using thousands of dogs that have been verified to be purebred by AKC certification, was able to successfully assign the correct breed over 99% of the time when testing purebred dogs that are among our identifiable breeds. These markers were then applied and validated on mixed breed dog populations.

Lets assume as Dave stated above that Maybe the English Pointer was Added to the English Coon Hound .

By their Stated above Testing the English Pointer DNA if it was their would Become Part of the Overall Marker Base of the English Coon Hound along with Treeing Walker, Bluetick, English Fox Hound, Gray hound, Grand Blue Gascon, Grand Gascon Saintongeois, French Tri Color, Talbot Hound And Other Added Misc. Dogs and the Org. Base Scent Hound The " Bloodhound " .

All Heck Mite as well Add Red Bone and Black and Tans Cuz you Know they had to get Sliped in at some time !! lol

Posted by Bluedogman on 06-02-2010 02:50 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by l.lyle
A friend told me about his hunt last night. He turned out one dog and his buddy turned out two. Each one had a dog get split treed pretty quick. About twenty minutes passed and they were back to the truck and checked the GPS and the beep beep to no avail. They started riding and checking. The other guys Uncle called and told him his wife had just gone into labor and to come on quick. They were about 5 miles toward home when both of them turned to each other and asked if that was a dog. They stopped as the dog was passing them and sure enough, it was him.

The guy said the Gps had recorded 0.6 mi up a branch, 2.2 mi down a two rut, 2.8 down a county dirt road and then and then 3 mi down the pavement, which was 1/4 mile before he got to a major highway in a little over an hour. GPS said the dog averaged hunting at 8.5 mph.

Maybe DNA could develop a marker to predict that. I know where there's a "new fangled" hound for sale if any body"s interested.

I'm not interested in owning him but just out of curiosity whose breeding is he?

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Posted by HistoryNutt on 06-02-2010 02:58 PM:

Re: The past hounds

quote:
Originally posted by Dentre
There are a lot of people still bringing up the old hounds. Thats fine but I want to see the great greandpa and grandpa and Dad out in the woods. To many people {older hunters} bring up the past. Those dogs aren"t as good as today's dogs are. Today's dogs would tree five coon to there one.

Five Coons to One OR Five Trees To One? Don't fall into the trap of thinking that a dog that can tree a lot of feeder bucket coons is a coon dog. BACK in the good old days in a lot of places there wasn't a lot of coon and there sure wasn't any bucket coons to play with.

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Posted by cedarhillkennel on 06-02-2010 03:04 PM:

Re: Re: The past hounds

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Five Coons to One OR Five Trees To One?

thats kinda what i was thinkin too

Posted by Justin Smith on 06-02-2010 05:06 PM:

They didn't even have coon in most places til' someone imported breeding pairs .... around here , anyone in there 70's and up will tell you that as a teenager , coon were rare in most places and non existant in others.

It's hard to have an intellgent conversation and Then vs. Now with folks that don't even know that much ... might as well listen to them tell you how pure their hounds are ,lol.

Posted by Majestic Tree H on 06-02-2010 05:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Justin Smith
They didn't even have coon in most places til' someone imported breeding pairs .... around here , anyone in there 70's and up will tell you that as a teenager , coon were rare in most places and non existant in others.

It's hard to have an intellgent conversation and Then vs. Now with folks that don't even know that much ... might as well listen to them tell you how pure their hounds are ,lol.

Some Fokes just don't know how hard the Old Coon Clubs Worked to Establish their Coon Populations .. 100s of nexting boxes were placed Coon Breeding pens and Some Clubs actualy used Arial Feeding (Planes to Scatter Feed)

Thru the Depression Every Critter was killed for Food or Fur !!!

(Greens Spot Shown Below in the Ad) for the Date in the North East over 300 Coon over 3 years Was a Huge amount of Coon and a Very Good Hound !!

Posted by Bluedogman on 06-02-2010 05:30 PM:

Sounds like the dentree is empty to me!

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Posted by Joe Polly on 06-02-2010 05:35 PM:

Coons

My father Ernest Polly died in Dec.1967 and I know for 5 or 6 years he hauled coon from Michigan to Corbin, Kentucky.He also made moonshine that he sold to feed us kids.

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Posted by l.lyle on 06-02-2010 05:50 PM:

quote:
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I'm not interested in owning him but just out of curiosity whose breeding is he?

Some of my breeding, LOL, that I got rid of about five years ago. The up-close dogs don't have titles 'cause I pleasure hunt. I'll PM you with some of the famous ones further back.

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