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Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 11-06-2004 06:27 AM:

Illinois Residents Call to Action

Hey folks, I've been waiting 8+ weeks for my dang ole FOID card and when I called today I was told it would be another 3-4 weeks due to their back log !!!!!

Now, I've called my State Senator....Todd Sieben whom I know very well, and also my State Rep Jim Sacia whom I knew when he was with the FBI.

Its time to call your Reps and Sentators and demand they remove this FOID card crap from our books in Jan when they submit new laws.

It is nothing more than a money rip off of legal gun owners, plus they cannot do the work, so why have something you can't do ?? Also they do not communicate with the DNR.......but work against each other.

My research shows we in Illinois are the only State that has this stupid law........and all it does is duplicate the already federal law of background checks.

This is nothing more than a money scam for the Illinois State Police........and its time to end it !!!!!

Call your local Rep, and also your State Senator.

If you need more info look in your local paper and it should list your Reps.......

Call to arms.........make the calls, lets get this State in the 21st Century !!!!!!!!

I'll not rest till this is done, or I'll put my place up for sale and move to a **** smarter state !!!!!!

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Posted by scar on 11-06-2004 01:31 PM:

foid card

Hello,
I havent gotten mine either.But before I sent off for it I talked to a state cop about it and he told me to keep my old card on me,and photo copy the foid paper I was sending in and keep both on me.That way it showed an effort and if a guy was hunting legal in every other way,he'd be o.k..Probably to late to copy yours,but you could always get another,fill it out,copy it and carry that with you.Im like you though,this state is screwed up in a big way!And thats putting it politely as you know.Good hunting,and if your down in So.Illinois sometime,hollar.

Kevin Pool

Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-06-2004 04:05 PM:

Jusr sent off for my new card yesterday

and the women told me that the resaon for the back log-your going to love this Mark- is that evreybody is getting new cards because the price after next year is supposed to go to $40!
I am with you this is a crook of crap and lets get them to get rid of this crap. I say we use the court system rather than our elected officials or attack both , what ya say ?

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Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-06-2004 04:24 PM:

heres a link to

some other pissed off IL hunters

http://www.refugeforums.com/refuge/...mp;pagenumber=1

Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-06-2004 04:33 PM:

or ths one

http://keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/...=10%2F11%2F2004

Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-06-2004 04:40 PM:

German Gun Control and the Illinois FOID

German Gun Control and the Illinois FOID

by Raymond Benwood

April 29, 2002

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms, disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.” --Cesare Beccaria, quoted by Thomas Jefferson

In 1968 a new gun control act was passed in response to race riots in some of our major cities. From this Act a whole new generation of gun control laws were created in the states. In 1992 Jews for Preservation of Firearm Ownership Inc, published Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny, which contains the actual text of pre Nazi, and Nazi gun control laws. In Gateway to Tyranny, JPFO shows the stark comparison between the 1938 Nazi law and our 1968 Gun Control Act. In fact evidence exists in the library of congress, that the late Senator Thomas J Dodd, who was the chief framer of the '68 Act, owned a text of the Nazi weapons law. Gateway to Tyranny exposes the usage of terms and phrases in Nazi law, and how they were deliberately applied to our '68 Gun Act. Its obvious that the late Senator Dodd, who was a lawyer at Nuremberg, must have liked what he saw in the Nazi gun laws, since he used them as a guide when he wrote our '68 Gun Act.

With passage of the '68 Act another door opened under the color of law, this time in the state of Illinois. Since white liberal racism energized the '68 Act, seeing it as a tool to further their socialist agenda, Mayor Daley Sr. of Chicago used his influence to bring about a Firearm Owners Identification (FOID) card in Illinois as a response to race riot concerns in Chicago. The FOID card was believed to be a powerful tool, to keep guns out of the hands of certain groups in the state deemed dangerous to Daley. Gateway to Tyranny shows that the Nazis both created and used gun control laws that were legally passed. One such terrible law was the Waffen Oder Munitionserwerbscheins (German for "License to obtain a weapon or ammunition"), a firearms Owners Identification permit (FOID). The Illinois FOID card, like the German permit, was designed to force gun owners to comply with the new law, by requiring the use of the permit (FOID) for the legal purchase of ammunition.

The stark comparisons between the Illinois FOID and the laws created and used by the Nazis are not just a matter of terms and phrases, but are synonymous in their intent. In Germany “the district police administrated the application process.” In Illinois, “the state police administrates the application process.”

In Germany, “a record keeping system was required for the transfer of handguns with the requirement that the records be kept for a period of 10 yrs and must include a description of the firearm.”

In Illinois, “any person within this state who transfers or causes to be transferred any firearm shall keep a record of such transfer for a period of 10 yrs and must include a description, serial number, or other information identifying the firearm and must include the transferee FOID number.”

In Germany, “a valid permit was required for transfer of a firearm, commercial or private.”

In Illinois, “a valid FOID is required for transfer of a firearm, commercial or private.”

In Germany, “all records were subject to police inspection on demand.”

In Illinois, “on demand of a peace officer such transferor shall produce for inspection such record of transfer.”

In Germany, “the police maintained a list of the identities and personal information of all licensees.”

In Illinois, “the state police maintain a record of all FOID cardholders.”

In Germany, “license denial could be made by race, inimical behavior or those deemed unreliable.”

In Illinois, “Chicago requires registration of all firearms and acceptance is near impossible and reports of FOID denial for bad attitudes have been reported else where in the state.”

In Germany, “certain permits were valid for up to 3 yrs.”

In Illinois, “the FOID card is valid for a period of 5yrs.”

In Germany, “a prohibition for the transfer of a firearm and ammunition to adolescents existed”.

In Illinois, “a prohibition for the transfer of a firearm and ammunition to adolescents exists.”

There are requirements for the transportation of a firearm. In Germany, “a certain type of permit was required.” In Illinois, “a valid FOID is required, and the firearm must be unloaded and properly cased.”

In Germany, “good Nazis could legally conceal carry, if they were issued the proper permit.”

In Illinois, “no conceal carry law exists.”

It should be obvious by now, as it was in Gateway to Tyranny, comparing the German gun laws to our '68 gun act, that the framer of the Illinois FOID Act had knowledge of German gun control laws, used by the Nazis and annotated those ideas into the Illinois FOID Act. There has been a misconception in Illinois and around the Nation, that a statute passed by Legislators bearing the appearance of law constitutes the law of the land. The constitution is the supreme law of the land; for any statue to be valid, it must be in agreement. Marbury vs. Madison, 5 (2 cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803) states “All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.” Many laws have been passed, but that does not make them lawful. Laws like the Illinois FOID card violate original intent of the 2nd Amendment of a general prohibition against state and federal legislation that infringes the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

The potential abuse of laws like the Illinois FOID are apparent, and should be repealed immediately. Illinois, under the color of law, has the potential of being the first state in the Union to impose a complete gun ban, with door to door confiscation, an act of Treason!

Today we live in a nation where the wearing of a swastika or a confederate battle flag patch or the questioning of the Holocaust, brings about a violent reaction in some people.

So why are so many people willing to accept the same types of laws that were the foundation of Genocide? Why do the big pro gun groups not fight against such laws that are so obviously unconstitutional and morally wrong? Our rights are self-evident and must be defended, if we are to remain FREE!

Raymond Benwood
Free Illinois

Permission to reprint-republish granted

Reference Material:

1) “Gun Control: Gateway to Tyranny” by Jay Simkin and Aaron Zelman, available at www.jpfo.org, Hartford, WI. (262)-673-9745

2) “Nazi Firearms Law and the Disarming of the German Jews” by Stephen Halbrook Ph.D. Attorney, available at www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.html

3) Firearm Owners Identification Act for the state of Illinois

4) Senate doc. 2807 Feb 1982 on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, available at www.barefootsworld.net/senate82.html

Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-06-2004 04:41 PM:

Legal presedent

Marbury vs. Madison, 5 (2 cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803) states “All laws which are repugnant to the constitution are null and void.”

Posted by DOC on 11-06-2004 05:12 PM:

foid cards...
just got my card, guess I was luckier then some, wrote check on 9-23 and rec'd. card on 11-5, my wife got hers few days earlier, am ffl holder-gun dealer so never use the foid card to purchase a gun and forgot to renew it... was told that men almost always experience a background check and that women do not and takes longer for men, believe that is unconstitutional,... also traffic violations etc. show up... also they go back many-many years and look at arrests even if no charges filed as well as convictions, thus one is not innocent until proven guilty, but rather in this instance guilty until you can prove yourself innocent, it is supposed to take 30 days to process a card, backlog is supposedly due to hunting season... call in gun sales on a regular basis, automated system that is supposed to work 24/7, but tougher to get approvals on weekends... not anti some form of regulation, but need to make sure it is efficient and does not deny legal law abiding citizens from owning firearms...

Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 11-06-2004 05:14 PM:

Great post Rob. I'm going to copy it and send it to my Reps and Senator.

I went to those other sites and couyld not register as I wanted to give the Email address to my reps for anyone in our area to also send a Email asking them to get rid of this stupid law. Rob, if you can post on those sites please pass along these Email addresses.

Senator Todd Sieben

SenTWS@Geneseo.net[/email] is his Email address

Representative Jim Sacia

[email]JimSacia@Aeroinc.net is his Email address

if you live in these gentlemans districts Email them with your distaste of this dumb FOID card law.

Hey Rob, if you could Email me that Statement on here I'd like to use it to forward it. I can't seem to copy it to Email it.

Thanks

And lets keep the fight on with our Emails and calls !!!!!!!!!

Its the only way we will ever get this stupid law changed !!!!

Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-06-2004 09:15 PM:

Mark I am not a regiestered user

on those boards, I cam across the information when I googled -FOID, or maybe bills to revoke FOID cant remember.
But I do know that this is a bogus law that MUST be over turned and we need to file a suit and take it as far as possible.
While gaing information on this I found that the main reason this bill was inacted was during the race roits in Chicago they thought they might be able to disarm the Black community.

Posted by 1sttree on 11-06-2004 10:27 PM:

what is the foid card? i'm not a resident right now i am going to school in glendale heights, illinois and i was just wondering what it is exactly. thanks

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Posted by scar on 11-06-2004 10:33 PM:

Its firearms owner identification card.Just another way to keep track of you.An Illinois resident must have one to legally own a gun buy ammo,or just to even have it in your possesion.One 22 shell on you and you dont have that card,they can bust your ass,if they want.Sounds stupid,cause it is!

Posted by 1sttree on 11-06-2004 10:52 PM:

how do i go about getting one i would probably need one to have a gun out here since i'm living here i guess. thanks for the info.

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Posted by Mark A. Hauck on 11-06-2004 11:02 PM:

Went to our high scholl championship game today and handed out over 200 flyers to folks I know hunt, and shoot trap, skeet and with the flyer had my Sen. & Rep Email and phone numbers on it. Everyone agreed it is time to get rid of the FOID card in Illinois. Most found it nothing more than a hassle so my Rep and Sen will be getting lots of calls and Emails this coming Monday when they hit Springfield !!!!!

Lets pass the word !!!!!

Posted by scar on 11-06-2004 11:02 PM:

Dont know how it would work in your cae,since your in school here.Go to the police dept.Theyll have the application,get you a picture made and send them 5 bucks.

Posted by Rob Ellett on 11-07-2004 01:10 AM:

1sttre you will find it easier

to just get an out of state licsense instead of the hassle of a FOID.

Posted by warrior on 11-07-2004 04:26 AM:

How in the hell did y'all get into that kinda mess?

Thank God for Alabama rednecks. If they tried that down here you see the the truth to the "cold dead hands" statement. Down here the only permit needed is for carrying a handgun in public and those are "shall issue". Heck even our idiot sherriff has sense enough to make the campaign promise to actually lower the cost of permits. He kept that promise too. 90% of the time I have a gun in the gun rack in the truck. I ride up and down the road with it in plain sight never a problem. Take that back, I had one stolen one time while I was in town. I forgot where I was. I just wonder how did y'all get in that predicament.

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Posted by tracy payne on 11-07-2004 02:58 PM:

liberals

thats what happens when you vote for liberals, all i can tell you is move to a red state.

Posted by Blister 1 on 11-07-2004 05:06 PM:

Thanks for the info Mark, I'll be calling and e-mailing.

Posted by jodaviess1 on 11-07-2004 05:43 PM:

HEY, MARK
**** RIGHT, ALL THAT CARD DOES IS GIVE THE STATE A LIST OF LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS. I WONDER HOW MANY OF THECRYPTS
AND BLOODS ETC. ARE PACKIN A CARD. I WAS TOLD THAT IF YOU DIDN'T POSSES A VALID CARD YOU WERE IN VIOLATION AND WOULD BE TICKETED AND YOUR GUNS CONFISCATED. AND SAY THIS HAPPENED OUT HUNTING, IT WAS AUTOMATIC THAT A SEARSH OF YOUR RESIDENCE WAS NEXT. IT IS PROBABLY A JUDGEMENT CALL ON THE PART OF THE OFFICER AND WHAT SCAR SAID WOULD MAYBE HELP IN SOME CASES. GISTOPO TACTICS FOR SURE. I'M SENDING MY E-MAIL NOW AND CALLING ALSO ON MONDAY. GOOD POST EVERYONE AND ONCE AGAIN MARK YOUR TAKIN THE BULL BY THE HORNS. PERRY

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