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Where's the good females...

It's no secret I have had my eye out for good females. I have tried some, a few ran off game, some were decent. Is there a shortage and why do yall think good females are so scarce?

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Jody Scott
731-780-4407
Frogjump TN
Black Creek Treeing Walkers

If I had feelings, that might would have hurt.

They are only about as scarce as GOOD males.....

I think people hold on to that good female they have, raise some pups.

If you didn't feel there is a shortage, then your standards aren't high enough.

They'd all look good enough if you were just looking for something to raise some pups from.

I prefer to hunt females, because then I can have total control over the breeding. If you have a good male you want a pup out of, you have to either acquire your own female, or hope someone else brings a good one to get bred.

I just like hunting them, too.

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call me if you are looking for good female.mike carmack 765-732-3540 orcell 765-220-1021

Thanks Mike.

I been looking on here and in cooner and cb and it just seems alot more males for sale, stud, and puppies. Not alot of females.

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Jody Scott
731-780-4407
Frogjump TN
Black Creek Treeing Walkers

If I had feelings, that might would have hurt.

hmm

could it be that people with decent males are breeding to anything that has the stud fee attached to it??? People put WAY too much emphasis on breeding to good males and blaming the males for the culls. I'm not sure about the rest of the people who have bred dogs for a long time, but most my experience (with MANY different breeds) is that the females have the biggest influence on the litters.

As good as we like to think our males are I have seen FEW that could reproduce themselves strongly as a dominant contributer to a litter no matter who they were bred to. If you breed a good male to a good bitch your chances are better that you will get good dogs of both sexes.

I can't count how many times I have heard people say a certain bitch was worth more in the breeding pen with pups than in the woods. Of course when you hunt your good females you aren't having litters out of them all the time because they are of value in the woods.

When more people start realizing that females are more than just a uterus you will see things start to change. There's a lot of people out there with females just for the sake of breeding to a noted dog. I can count a lot more people keeping females that don't make the grade they look for than keeping males of the same. A male that doesn't make the grade is worthless where a female that doesn't still has worth as she can be bred to a titled noted dog and earn her keep. More people will buy a pup out of an untitled or unknown female and titled/known male than they would an untitled and unknown male.

I also think that if more people actually HUNT what they breed and breed what they hunt you'd see things tighten up a bit too. If you look at those who are consistantly putting out decent pups and experiencing longevity in their breed they are breeding what they hunt and hunting what they breed, and are established.

Many people want their own claim to fame and try to reinvent the wheel with their name attached to it. Your chances of seeing better females is going to be from those who have been breeding the dogs in the pedigree for some time and not just throwing two dogs together that they had purchased from others to see if that works or somebody breeding a female to the latest craze in stud dogs.

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Great post, Starplott.

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Hey Skinner

One's tied in my yard and No you can't get her /LOL

Unless ...... maybe, you may have brought something back from Mikes house with you./LOL!!

If I 'd known I just saw a real good female sell a couple
months ago. A twelve year old kid is hunting the dog and they are winning bigtime!! Bred right too. The dam of the female is a half sister to my Kate female. Inbred Lipper and Bozo -Maniac by way of Swamp.

I'll keep my eyes open up here.

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Re: hmm

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Originally posted by starplott
could it be that people with decent males are breeding to anything that has the stud fee attached to it??? People put WAY too much emphasis on breeding to good males and blaming the males for the culls. I'm not sure about the rest of the people who have bred dogs for a long time, but most my experience (with MANY different breeds) is that the females have the biggest influence on the litters.

As good as we like to think our males are I have seen FEW that could reproduce themselves strongly as a dominant contributer to a litter no matter who they were bred to. If you breed a good male to a good bitch your chances are better that you will get good dogs of both sexes.

I can't count how many times I have heard people say a certain bitch was worth more in the breeding pen with pups than in the woods. Of course when you hunt your good females you aren't having litters out of them all the time because they are of value in the woods.

When more people start realizing that females are more than just a uterus you will see things start to change. There's a lot of people out there with females just for the sake of breeding to a noted dog. I can count a lot more people keeping females that don't make the grade they look for than keeping males of the same. A male that doesn't make the grade is worthless where a female that doesn't still has worth as she can be bred to a titled noted dog and earn her keep. More people will buy a pup out of an untitled or unknown female and titled/known male than they would an untitled and unknown male.

I also think that if more people actually HUNT what they breed and breed what they hunt you'd see things tighten up a bit too. If you look at those who are consistantly putting out decent pups and experiencing longevity in their breed they are breeding what they hunt and hunting what they breed, and are established.

Many people want their own claim to fame and try to reinvent the wheel with their name attached to it. Your chances of seeing better females is going to be from those who have been breeding the dogs in the pedigree for some time and not just throwing two dogs together that they had purchased from others to see if that works or somebody breeding a female to the latest craze in stud dogs.

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Good Female

Good dogs are rare, male or female, if you have high demands and expectations.

You'll find lots of dogs out there that have titles and fancy pedigrees. But, that doesn't mean they'll have the right type of ability to suit you as a COON DOG.

You may be better off saying what you expect out of a dog (ex. straight on coon, accurate on tree, good disposition, hunting style, handling, etc.). You may not get much of a response, but do you really want to try out a dog that smokes a deer, switches over and grabs a tree and puts other dogs off the tree (some call them track-driving, stay-put tree dogs).

Bodene thanks man I know you know what a coondog is. The only thing I made absolutely sure of I left Mikes with was Highball. lol

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Jody Scott
731-780-4407
Frogjump TN
Black Creek Treeing Walkers

If I had feelings, that might would have hurt.

Call us we have a GRNTCH FEMALE she's 2 1/2 and if you are interested call us. we are going to sell.

Starplott is right, most of us who have good females don't let go of them.

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Bill Harper
Washington, NC
252-944-5592

Linda THANK YOU. The female is the right age. However Kansas is a little far for me. I work six days a week and anything over a couple hours is a little far unless I miss work. Thanks though she sounds like what I'm looking for.

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Jody Scott
731-780-4407
Frogjump TN
Black Creek Treeing Walkers

If I had feelings, that might would have hurt.

Gee Skinner, lol

you complain that good females are in short supply and when you get a chance to get one you turn it down because it's not right under your nose??? They do have dog haulers and airplanes in this day and age.

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Originally posted by Linda Fennel
Call us we have a GRNTCH FEMALE she's 2 1/2 and if you are interested call us. we are going to sell.

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Hey Skinner theres a good young female listed on the classifieds in my Lobo post..........

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Starrplott I am 6' 3". My nose is'nt far from the floor. Ms. Linda lives 510 miles from my house. 300 to get her here, 300 to possibly get her back. Out 600 bucks and a prayer every 15 minutes saying please Lord don't let nothing happen to these nice folks dog. I hate to meet someone half way its hard to find a spot to hunt when nobodys been there before unless you know of someone that lives near.

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Jody Scott
731-780-4407
Frogjump TN
Black Creek Treeing Walkers

If I had feelings, that might would have hurt.

510 miles isn't far

I have to drive that far to go to a nite hunt, lol.

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ROFL girl you need to move closer to civilization....

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Jody Scott
731-780-4407
Frogjump TN
Black Creek Treeing Walkers

If I had feelings, that might would have hurt.

NO WAY!!!

I rather live where the hunting is good.

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Coonhunting is better in Idaho than the midwest? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

who said anything

about urban trash rats? lol. We have a LOT more coon than you do, lol, the 200 lb black stumped tailed kind. They are WAY more fun to hunt. lol

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