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Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-13-2010 04:51 PM:

Can a dog really show traits ?

When you breed strand of blood time and time again. You through in out crosses and then line breed and do it over and over to where your dog papers read just that blood line that is 25 years old .What do you really have ,Wouldnt the origanal traits you wanted be gone? Just wandering your opinoin

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Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-13-2010 05:05 PM:

Now let me say this also .I am not talking about breeding to different females .I am talking breeding just to keep the blood line alive!
To me breeding the same male to 40 different females would be better .Than breeding the same male just to keep "the ole Blood"

Posted by Justin Smith on 02-13-2010 06:22 PM:

You could keep the traits and have breed the old blood down to a small fraction ... traits don't mix like paint , they are more like a light switch ... if a dog has the same trait as it's grandparent .. it's not a weaker version ... it's just as potent.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-13-2010 06:58 PM:

They haven't been bread out of the wild ones yet. They don't even have anyone picking and chooseing who they breed to. If it is a good cross they make it and if it isn't they die. If some of them get good benes and the others don't the ones that get them make it and the other ones die.
If the breeding thing isn't going as well as it use to. That is what I would look at first. The ones that don't have hunting and pray instinct at a young age not getting fixed so they can't reproduce or killed like they would in the wild.

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Posted by wayne f on 02-13-2010 09:09 PM:

i have seein breeding animals including dogs that grandparents put an awful lott into the grand pups but it gets less the more they get away from the grandparents thats why linebreeding works as the traites become locked in due to the smaller gene pool traits are tied to the genes

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Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-13-2010 10:48 PM:

lets say

That a dog that is mean will it show up again & again?? And if slick treeing is a problem will it show up (or could it be man made)?? But Will a red head show up only because its a certain line bred breed??

Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-13-2010 11:01 PM:

also

What kinda traits can you breed to reproduce? Is a mean tree dog (stud) worthy of being a reproducer??

Would you breed to a dog that trees 1 coon out of 10 trees every time you take him out??

Would you breed this dog just to keep the OLE blood going??

Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-14-2010 02:14 AM:

ttt

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Posted by wildbill on 02-14-2010 02:46 AM:

Re: also

quote:
Originally posted by reddogg
What kinda traits can you breed to reproduce? Is a mean tree dog (stud) worthy of being a reproducer??

Would you breed to a dog that trees 1 coon out of 10 trees every time you take him out??

Would you breed this dog just to keep the OLE blood going??

if the dog had these traits,myself, he wouldnt be a stud dog long,,

i hunt 2-4 dogs when i/we go hunting and a mean dog wanting to fight wont live long and
where we hunt 9 out of 10 trees being empty will get a dog shot. faster.old blood or not,,

i know a lot of this type dogs make grannite champion with the right handlers,
but those owning sach a dog only cares about makeing money anyway they can get it,
as a coonhound breeder would NOT knowling breed to something like that...old blood or not..

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Posted by Dave Lopez on 02-14-2010 05:02 AM:

sounds like your dog has faults

breeding to a dog that is line bred strenghtens instincts and abilities. your dog needs adjusted. Breeding to every female you can weakens the bloodline you are trying to preserve. brings out the best and worst of traits. Why breed to 40 females who are not what you are trying to preserve? Must be in it for the stud money. I wouldnt breed to just any female unless i knew about thier bloodlines stregths and weaknesses. Making outcross could produce a mean streak that never showed up in a linebred dog until an outcross was made. OR he/she was hunted with mean dogs.

Posted by wildbill on 02-14-2010 05:15 AM:

Re: sounds like your dog has faults

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Lopez
breeding to a dog that is line bred strenghtens instincts and abilities. your dog needs adjusted. Breeding to every female you can weakens the bloodline you are trying to preserve. brings out the best and worst of traits. Why breed to 40 females who are not what you are trying to preserve? Must be in it for the stud money. I wouldnt breed to just any female unless i knew about thier bloodlines stregths and weaknesses. Making outcross could produce a mean streak that never showed up in a linebred dog until an outcross was made. OR he/she was hunted with mean dogs.

exactly

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Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-14-2010 06:06 AM:

This not my dog

But it is a dog on a post on here that is asking everyone to breed to. And it has these traits!!!!

Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-14-2010 06:11 AM:

Dave Lopez

I belive you know this person ,you have the or had the same blood. You went to his web site and left some comments ......

Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-14-2010 01:29 PM:

and I

Belive your going to breed your female now!! Weak I guess you will find out . But for sure you will have what you asked for

Posted by Dave Lopez on 02-14-2010 01:33 PM:

dont know this fella from Adam

but i have the bloodline in my dogs. Have not seen any where he is advertising his dog for stud. Sounds like you have a beef with him or jealous usually this is the problem, or he hunts something other than what you are hunting. Has he been scratched or written up? If not you should be careful on your post. Yes if I had a good female I would drive to his place to breed her from Texas. I like that old blood. Besides why are you worried what someone ellse does? Are your dogs perfect? If not post thier faults on your post so everyone sees what you got. Why are you so down on this fella?

Posted by Ray Walburn on 02-14-2010 07:44 PM:

Thats FUNNY

You aint got a clue of what your talking about again! This is a bougus post just to catch you and it worked you aint got a clue about anything!! I knew you get on this post just to say somthing off the wall and it WORKED SUCKER !!!!!!!!!

Posted by juross on 02-14-2010 07:53 PM:

i believe you can breed for traits i had a heck of a track dog but she didnt have much tree power she wouldnt leave or anything just not real impressive on tree so i bred her to a rat attack dog named mon river rat he was a nice lil tree dog now i have pups that can flat drive a track and tree with some power they sure are accurate at 19 mos old all 5 are running there own coon 3 that i know of started treeing their own by the time they were 8 mos old so ibelieve i got the traits that i was hoping to get i think it worked out extremly well jmo

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Posted by wildbill on 02-14-2010 08:14 PM:

Re: Thats FUNNY

quote:
Originally posted by reddogg
You aint got a clue of what your talking about again! This is a bougus post just to catch you and it worked you aint got a clue about anything!! I knew you get on this post just to say somthing off the wall and it WORKED SUCKER !!!!!!!!!

sounds like you been drinking to much of the reddog,,
and now your backpaddling when mr dave called you out..

i dont know what dog you were trying to put down but mr dave answered the question you were asking with the right answers as far as linebreeding go's ,as far as him being off the wall,i think you are the one doing that now with what you just said...

now play nice and share the reddog and dont get on here till it wears off,,lol,,
that is some smooth drinking ,but will make you do some stupid stuff ,
about like giving whisky to an indian as my buddy tells me after his wore off,,he's got indian blood in him also,,lol

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-14-2010 09:51 PM:

Re: sounds like your dog has faults

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Lopez
breeding to a dog that is line bred strenghtens instincts and abilities. your dog needs adjusted. Breeding to every female you can weakens the bloodline you are trying to preserve. brings out the best and worst of traits. Why breed to 40 females who are not what you are trying to preserve? Must be in it for the stud money. I wouldnt breed to just any female unless i knew about thier bloodlines stregths and weaknesses. Making outcross could produce a mean streak that never showed up in a linebred dog until an outcross was made. OR he/she was hunted with mean dogs.

Very good post. Have to wonder about the ones that own a stud and breed it to any bitch that has the money. The performance and SS and what ever else isn't going to help that situation though. Look at the bottom of about any papers and you can see what is going on.

Posted by M Mauger on 02-14-2010 10:10 PM:

Line breeding

If any of you guys follow english blood check out my male pups papers, he is a product of 40 years of linebreeding and take a look at the OLD blood that is now up close!

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Posted by mnplottman on 02-14-2010 10:46 PM:

Thats a funny joke LMAO!!!

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Posted by M Mauger on 02-14-2010 11:02 PM:

Mn plottman

You talkin about my post??

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Posted by mnplottman on 02-14-2010 11:09 PM:

ya if its not a joke id think somthing jumped the fence lol

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Posted by SFWALKER on 02-14-2010 11:31 PM:

dang.. i was in a hunt last night. When we got to the woods and I saw the other dogs I asked one fella if his female was clover bred. It was an english dog. She was blanket backed with no ticks and very little red.... He owns the sire and dam. Said it was one of 2 in a litter of 12 that turned out lookin' like walkers. He said that he has had several with this same line breeding that have looked like that. I thought it was kinda cool.

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Posted by M Mauger on 02-14-2010 11:44 PM:

No Joke

Nope nothing jumped the fence... He is english and thats his ped.! I will say that he is THE ONLY white black brown pup outta this line. I get a kick outta havin to explain hes not a walker LOL... He is really ticked up in the white but for some reason it didnt show in the pic? He is line bred GRNICH Harmons Ink.

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