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Posted by Wes Wilkins on 01-30-2010 09:51 PM:

How Long Does It Take A Coon Track To Get Old?

Whats your opinion on how long it takes a coon track to go where a dog with a good nose cant smell it? Thanks, WES

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Posted by bluetickcooner on 01-30-2010 10:27 PM:

it depends on how much moisture is on the ground.

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Posted by Mike_Flores on 01-30-2010 10:38 PM:

"Old" is relative to the dog's nose that's smellin it.

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Posted by Houndin' on 01-31-2010 05:45 AM:

track

All depends on the conditions and the dogs nose.

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Posted by Bluedogman on 01-31-2010 11:22 AM:

Too old to run? Well, I dunno 'bout that but I once had a coon in a live trap away from the dog pen where they couldn't see it. 24 hours later I had one of the hounds on a leash and she found interest in the coon scent on the ground where it was. If I had turned the coon loose there I don't know if the hound would have trailed it to where-ever it went or not. My hounds have at times cold trailed coon and treed several hours and miles away from where they picked up the trail and had the coon. In these cases I have said it was a feed track from a coon that was out before dark rumaging around. Most often I have pulled mine off these old tracks because I didn't want to spend the time with them. If they are so inclined, I think a cold nosed hound can and will tree them somewhere even if the track was laid many, many hours before.

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Posted by Richard Nethery on 01-31-2010 05:03 PM:

It depends on the Conditions, the humidity, temperature, ect.
In really hot dry conditions a track thats just a few minutes old may be cold, but in cool damp conditons, a track may still be pretty good an hour or more after its been made.
Also some hounds just dont get excited about a colder track, but some do. I thinik they can all smell a colder track.
Case in point, how often has your hound been away from you for an hour or more, then trailed you up?

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Posted by jay brademeyer on 01-31-2010 06:03 PM:

MILES AND HOURS.....WOW!!

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Posted by Bluedogman on 01-31-2010 06:11 PM:

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Originally posted by jay brademeyer
MILES AND HOURS.....WOW!!

That's right! Unheard of huh?

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Posted by Wes Wilkins on 01-31-2010 06:21 PM:

The reason I asked is I had a pic on my trail camera from my bucket at 6:00 am. Went to check it while I was huntin and my new dog was wantin to bark on track. This was like 14 hrs later. I didnt turn loose cause I save the buckets for the pups. It was cold and kinda damp though. Thanks, WES

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Posted by tycon on 01-31-2010 11:14 PM:

I've been hunting for 13 years now and can tell if a track is cold or not only by the way the dogs run it. As far as the track being cold cause of age that gets tough. I have ran tracks in snow when you know when it stopped snowing and there is snow in the track. Or spotted a coon and went and got dogs. over the years there has been a lot of times I was able to date the track. What I have found some times I have been able to run tracks that are hours old, and sometimes can't run one a few minutes old. One time I was hunting in winter cut the dogs loose walked them over a headgate and to the river made a loop and came back there on the headgate was coon tracks that weren't there when we first came through. the dogs couldn't do much with them and finally lost the track. The tracks were only around 15 minutes old. I have turned older dogs loose by feeders and had them get excited and act like they were going to strike, once they got away from the feeder settle down . later checked the game cam and found no coon had been there for a couple nights. I think a lot of coon in one area feeding night after night can leave sent that might last for days.

Posted by coon's age on 01-31-2010 11:20 PM:

hour,according to temp,humidity,weather,and soil condition,worse track is on heavy sandy soil,pinestraw,rottening leaves, running water,railroad tracks,and fog.

Posted by KUKIE Coonhound on 01-31-2010 11:31 PM:

i have wondred this before....my dad says a few hours but IDK for sure

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-01-2010 12:32 AM:

Dogs nose doesn't have any thing to do with the track. Just weather that dog can run it or not. Temperature, humidity, wind, barometric preasure and ground cover is all that matters.
Moisture can actualey bring the scent back hours after it has went away. It can dry out to faint to track and if you come back late evening when the dew starts you can pick the track back up.
There are a lot of books on man tracking that cover this topic. I know I know BUT scent is scent. You will learn a lot about why some dogs track and some trail and some frindge while others air scent and yet others learn to use it all and why. Very interesting if you are into that kind of thing and I promise you will come away with a lot better understanding of what your dog is doing out there. You will allso have a lot better guess were the coon went and what happened when a pup makes a loose.

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Posted by houndcrazy186 on 02-01-2010 12:51 AM:

i might

have just learnt something okie...

Posted by coon's age on 02-01-2010 12:59 AM:

Some have better

noses than others,having the smarts to use it is the main thing,a cold track as describe before about it being regenerated later by dampness,but not a rain,rain breaks it down.Conditions have to be right for a natural layd track to remain trackable hours later.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-01-2010 01:45 AM:

Re: Some have better

quote:
Originally posted by coon's age
noses than others,having the smarts to use it is the main thing,a cold track as describe before about it being regenerated later by dampness,but not a rain,rain breaks it down.Conditions have to be right for a natural layd track to remain trackable hours later.

In my opinion it is not allways smart to use it. Not many want a dog that will lay in on an old track. LOL .... Doesn't have to be real great to last hours. Most nights will hold scent but day time is a differant story.

Posted by coon's age on 02-01-2010 02:52 AM:

I agree

with what your saying and I can tell you know about what your talking about,but a dog HAS to have good sence to use his ability to take what he can and put a end to it,in our case , a tree with a coon in it.Some hounds learn after taking tracks what they can work with and what they can not,depending on conditions that paticular night,and some will try without end.I want mine as I know you would yours to stay quite,till you can finish what you start,or find a better,finishable track,for that paticular hound I'm hunting.GOOD hunting.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-01-2010 03:10 AM:

Re: I agree

quote:
Originally posted by coon's age
with what your saying and I can tell you know about what your talking about,but a dog HAS to have good sence to use his ability to take what he can and put a end to it,in our case , a tree with a coon in it.Some hounds learn after taking tracks what they can work with and what they can not,depending on conditions that paticular night,and some will try without end.I want mine as I know you would yours to stay quite,till you can finish what you start,or find a better,finishable track,for that paticular hound I'm hunting.GOOD hunting.

Yep. If you had just a fare nosed dog that would open on all coon scent he could smell. You would think he was out of his mind and shoot him.

Posted by Bluedogman on 02-01-2010 11:01 AM:

Re: How Long Does It Take A Coon Track To Get Old?

quote:
Originally posted by Wes Wilkins
Whats your opinion on how long it takes a coon track to go where a dog with a good nose cant smell it? Thanks, WES

Wes...I think you already knew more than you learned by asking -- don't you?

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-01-2010 12:01 PM:

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quote:
Originally posted by coon's age
hour,according to temp,humidity,weather,and soil condition,worse track is on heavy sandy soil,pinestraw,rottening leaves, running water,railroad tracks,and fog.

Worse track depends on how your dog works a track. The word track is used VERY BROADLY on here. So if your dog runs a track fog will help it so will humiity but rain will wash it away fast. On a track they work disturbed vegitation, soil and body scent.
Trailing dog the fog will play heck with. So will any heavy damp air. Trail scent is the scent blowing from the track. Mostly body scent and the dog works it on the down wind side of the track. The wider it is from the track to the end of the scent the harder it is for a dog to work it. The dog is use to staying a certain distance from the track. In it's scent comfort zone and some times works zig zag patterns back and forth to stay in it's comfort zone.
In fog it takes that scent and mash's is down a lot wider and stronger so the dog has a hard time figureing out were the zone is becouse it is so wide. It just becomes one BIG pool scent if the coon mess's around in one spot very long.
Heavy sand isn't bad if it is wet BUT doesn't stay wet very long so most the time is hard tracking but if it has grass on it trailing isn't bad.
Pine straw I have never had much experience on but could see were it would cause problems.
rottening leaves puts off a gas. Plays heck with beginning cadaver dog(lol) and tracking dogs but doesn't seam to bother tracking dogs most the time.
Railroad tracks well the obvious. They are dry,hard, rocky and have the creisote in the wood.
Running water needs lots of experience. If a coon is in the water up stream a dog can smell it in the water quite a wase down stream and work up to it. If it gets in the water and goes with the current. Well you got problems if it stays in the water very far. BUT most don't.

Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-01-2010 12:10 PM:

If you ever get REEL bord get some of those BIG smoke bombs and light them when a fog is comeing down. Down in a creek bottom, in trees and out in the open. Then do the same thing on a hot sunny day. Then in every wind and weather condition out there. Try to guess what the smoke will do before you light them. See how often you are right. Put them in trees but don't start fires. It is amazeing how often you get surprised but after you do about a million of the things thou you can tell were the coon went and why the dogs are haveing problems finding it. Might even be able to help a pup find another leg to a trail some times.

Posted by Bluedogman on 02-01-2010 01:25 PM:

Lotta smoke being blown right here I think!

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Posted by Okie Dawg on 02-01-2010 02:09 PM:

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Originally posted by Bluedogman
Lotta smoke being blown right here I think!

It has all been researched by experts. Check it out. Iam not the one that wrote the books on it BUT I have done a lot of testing to see if it was true and have never disproved any I spoke about.
To understand scent and what it does you have to do studies. Can't be learned standing around in the dark saying I think.
There have been some extreamly inteligent and well trained dogs test all of this.

Posted by Bluedogman on 02-01-2010 02:20 PM:

Well you know research can prove just about anything if the right minds are put to it. On the other hand they can prove the same thing false if they want to. I've seen these things happen a few times. I like to read too, but I don't believe all I read just because someone wrote it. People like to sell books you know!

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