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Posted by Blue Iron on 01-20-2010 09:21 PM:

Is chewing genetic?

Is a dog chewing at the tree a genetic thing, or a dog by dog thing?

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Posted by hammer blz on 01-20-2010 09:48 PM:

Re: Is chewing genetic?

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Is a dog chewing at the tree a genetic thing, or a dog by dog thing?

I would have to say it would be both I've seen most pups just pick that habit up by watching the other dogs do it,and on down the line.
Also had a male pup that his sire would chew every tree down he was on but the pup grew up and never did chew a tree ?

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 01-20-2010 10:53 PM:

In my experience w/a chewer I would have to say "dog to dog".
Raised 2 litters off the chewer and no chewing occured with his get,to this day and I'm 4 generations into him.
I lacked knowledge enough back then to figure out WHY he chewed.

Posted by BAWL_TRACK on 01-20-2010 11:06 PM:

i think chewing is just a dog not breeding ,,,,,,,,,, they chew cause thier mad an cant get to it ... i think

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 01-20-2010 11:26 PM:

Re: Is chewing genetic?

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Originally posted by Blue Iron
Is a dog chewing at the tree a genetic thing, or a dog by dog thing?

I think that there is certainly a genetic component.

I had a male here, that we raised almost 200 pups out of. Only ONE CROSS produced dogs that would chew. That female was bred twice, and there were pups in both litters that were bad to chew.....

After having seen that, you would have to go a long way to convince me that chewing is not hereditary to some degree....however, after having said that...a pup hunted frequently with a dog that chews....will learn to chew....

So that tells me that there are at least two different reasons for chewing.

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Posted by bstewarts on 01-21-2010 12:06 AM:

I had a dog a few yrs back that was real young and treeing her own coon already and I took her with an old dog that was a bad chewer well after that tree she started chewing herself and to this day I can see trees where she had been. She had never chewed before that and she had been treeing coon for awhile. I feel she picked it up on that 1 tree. O well she was still the best I have ever owned.

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Posted by Redwood Hounds on 01-21-2010 12:30 AM:

I've seen first hand that its genetic.

I had two sisters, they were never hunted with a chewer, and were split up and haven't hunted with each other in over 2 years. As young dogs they did not chew.

Now at 3 years old, mine will at times get frustrated and strip bark and limbs. It's worse if I tie her back, she will start tearing stuff up all around her, and even occasionally bite your pants/jacket if you geyt to close (she will chew a leash in two in less than 2 seconds if not on a chain) or if I have her tied up and then unleash her she will run at the tree and start mauling all the bark and limbs. Never seen her do this constant, and she still trees 90+bpm. She just has about 10 seconds of pent up fury that needs unleashed.

Her sister is so bad she doesn't bark. Just chews and jumps and hangs from limbs.

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 01-21-2010 12:32 AM:

I think Joe is right, it is both genetic and learned. Some of the learned may come from some that have a latent genetic tendancy that is triggered by watching other dogs.

What ever genes that may be connected with chewing may be, I believe that they may also be tied to the stay treed genes. In my experiance, most chewers are also stay put tree dogs.

Figure that one out.

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Posted by josh on 01-21-2010 01:35 AM:

Re: Re: Is chewing genetic?

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
I think that there is certainly a genetic component.

I had a male here, that we raised almost 200 pups out of. Only ONE CROSS produced dogs that would chew. That female was bred twice, and there were pups in both litters that were bad to chew.....

After having seen that, you would have to go a long way to convince me that chewing is not hereditary to some degree....however, after having said that...a pup hunted frequently with a dog that chews....will learn to chew....

So that tells me that there are at least two different reasons for chewing.

Posted by Oak Ridge on 01-21-2010 12:48 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by bstewarts
I had a dog a few yrs back that was real young and treeing her own coon already and I took her with an old dog that was a bad chewer well after that tree she started chewing herself and to this day I can see trees where she had been. She had never chewed before that and she had been treeing coon for awhile. I feel she picked it up on that 1 tree. O well she was still the best I have ever owned.

Ben,

If this is the dog I'm thinking of.....she was related to the female that was bred twice to Joker and produce chewers....

I don't know about any further back, but the Sadie dog was famous for reproducing chewers!

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Posted by Adam Reynolds on 01-21-2010 02:11 PM:

yes

Posted by Larry Atherton on 01-21-2010 03:26 PM:

I agree with Joe that it can be genetic or learned. Now here is another question. Why does it seem to get worse when it gets hot out?

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Posted by TamarackKennels on 01-21-2010 05:09 PM:

An ole timer will tell you, that a chewer at the tree is a stay put tree dog.
I believe it is both genetic and learned. When it is hot out, I agree it seems to get worse.. I am not to sure why, the ole timer that I hang with Doesnt either..

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 01-21-2010 05:33 PM:

Another thought

I don't think the chewing itself is genitic, but I think the nervous mental part that makes the dog chew is.

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Posted by Oak Ridge on 01-21-2010 05:44 PM:

Re: Another thought

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Originally posted by Tim MACHA
I don't think the chewing itself is genitic, but I think the nervous mental part that makes the dog chew is.

Tim,

If I can show you that out of a family of dogs were 99% of them don't chew, and 1% do...and I can show you that out of one female, bred to different males...there are chewers, sold to different people, and trained by different folks...

I truly believe that there is a genetic component.....you may be onto something.....but the ones I know are "laid back" in the kennel, but bore a hole in a tree.....

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Posted by Tim MACHA on 01-21-2010 07:19 PM:

Re: Re: Another thought

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Originally posted by Oak Ridge
Tim,

If I can show you that out of a family of dogs were 99% of them don't chew, and 1% do...and I can show you that out of one female, bred to different males...there are chewers, sold to different people, and trained by different folks...

I truly believe that there is a genetic component.....you may be onto something.....but the ones I know are "laid back" in the kennel, but bore a hole in a tree.....

I have one of each. Zack is pretty laid back in the kennel, but does chew some. I feel Griz should be on Ritalin. lol He is a spazz. He chews pretty bad at the tree and He has the rafter over his dog house all narled up. I really don't know if their ancestors were chewers or not.

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Posted by Tyler Vaden on 01-21-2010 07:47 PM:

I've seen first hand that its genetic. John Wick also say it is genetic.

Posted by Blue Iron on 01-21-2010 08:07 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Tyler Vaden
John Wick also say it is genetic.

Well its a done deal then! Take it to the bank, John Wick said it!!

Posted by Tyler Vaden on 01-21-2010 08:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Blue Iron
Well its a done deal then! Take it to the bank, John Wick said it!!

Ha Ha I see you edit out the part were I said "I've seen first hand that its genetic." You should have took that to the bank also.

Posted by Blue Iron on 01-21-2010 09:11 PM:

quote:
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Ha Ha I see you edit out the part were I said "I've seen first hand that its genetic." You should have took that to the bank also.

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Posted by Lakeland Kennel on 01-21-2010 11:34 PM:

Larry, I believe the reason dogs chew more in the summertime is because of the heat making them too hot to tree. They can't tree, so they chew. I have seen some summer time chewers go back to treeing when you put them on a low protein dog food for a while.

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