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The Right To Retrieve

i would like to know who's state allows for the right to retrieve
i guy in michigan says his state does but i was only aware of virginia and minnisota haveing such laws.virginia just had a big study for hound huntin and part of it was trying to eliminate our right to retrieve,stating only two states had such,if your state does please let me know,it will help eminsly with my research

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Never ask a man what kind of dog he has. If he has a hound he'll tell you, if he does not, you don't want to shame him by asking.

We do not have the right to retrieve here in Texas.

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i believe ohio does but i think they want you to go ask permission...few years ago a deer fell on private land and we ended up havin to go to court and we said we were retrieving the deer not pursuing it and got away fine free lol

New York has the right to retrieve law but you have to ask permission first. Trust me, with some of these morons you do want to ask first but this is just another story.

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Originally posted by Brian France
New York has the right to retrieve law but you have to ask permission first. Trust me, with some of these morons you do want to ask first but this is just another story.

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We have the RTR here in michigan but no firearms are allowed when doing it and we have no right to retrieve any game that went onto property of anothers unless we have permission.

Oklahoma does... I was at Battle of the Breeds 3 weeks ago and three game wardens walked into the buliding just as we were about to draw out our cast.

What I heard next was simply unbelievable !! The Warden in charge took the microphone in front of probably 300 people and said ,,,

'''' I know alot of you guys are from out of state and I want to welcome you to Oklahoma and we want you to enjoy you hunt while here. You DO NOT need a hunting licence to participate in this hunt AND if your dogs get on property where you DO NOT have permission , GO GET THEM ! You do not need to permission to retrieve your dogs in Oklahoma.. If anyone gives you a hard time , CALL ME and I will be there in a matter of minutes and your dogs will be retrieved. '''''

The Warden then gave out his PH. number , which many people copied down and a large Roar of applause erupted from the large crowd as he left the stage...

Thats the way it should be EVERYWHERE !!!

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Originally posted by micooner
We have the RTR here in michigan but no firearms are allowed when doing it and we have no right to retrieve any game that went onto property of anothers unless we have permission.

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ALABAMA HAS THE RIGHT TO RTV WITHOUT A FIRE ARM WITH YOU. BUT IT IS BEST TO ASK THE LAND OWNER,IF THAT DONT WORK GO TO THE SHERIFF,LET HIM GO WITH YOU. I HAVE HAD TO DO THAT.

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You can call the Sheriff,to the game Warden,to the Governer,if the land owner says no you can't go get them in Ohio...SAD BUT TRUE.

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Originally posted by Deborah Avery
ALABAMA HAS THE RIGHT TO RTV WITHOUT A FIRE ARM WITH YOU. BUT IT IS BEST TO ASK THE LAND OWNER,IF THAT DONT WORK GO TO THE SHERIFF,LET HIM GO WITH YOU. I HAVE HAD TO DO THAT.

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Mr. Nethery, No you can't just go get your dog if the land owner says NO. You are supposed to contact the authorities and have them help in the recovery of your hound, yeah right! I'm sitting here reading what the law states in the New York regulation guide and it all sounds to me like nobody wants to give a direct answer. It says to get permission of landowners in the area you plan to hunt. #2 A hunter may not go on posted property, even to retrieve a dog, without landowner permission. #3 while it is lawful for a dog to pursue game on land that may be posted, it is not lawful for a hunter to knowingly release a dog on posted land. The rest is just a bunch of mumble jumble about being a good steward of the land etc. It all sounds pretty stupid to me but I was told by the state police ( as they were giving me a ticket ) that you have to contact them or a game warden to retrieve your dog from private property. My hounds were released on land that I had permission to hunt on, they came treed on land that was posted. Myself and two friends crossed the property line by a couple hundred yards and before getting to the tree were shot at I ended up in a heated argument with the shooter who held a loaded 357 pointed at my head the whole time ( with the hammer cocked ) To make a long story shorter, He was arrested for some little charge and I was arrested for trespassing. My charge was dropped because nobody could prove where we were physically at, which- come to find out we weren't on his land. He had his hand guns taken and had to pay a $300 fine. He got his hand guns returned and kept his job as a town cop. He is also a retired county sheriff deputy ( forced to retire for sexual misconduct ) The law dogs always take care of one another! We as sportsmen need to become as tight as the law dogs so we can avoid situations like I was in.

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Minnesota has the right to retrieve .

We dont have it here in GA but I'm going regardless of what the law says...Not leaving my hound in the woods! I try and hunt big enough areas so its not a problem but it does happen..

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Here is the actual law. Look under section 4.

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(4f5i1v2o4svok3vluz22bb55))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-324-73102

You have to be careful when state organizations such as the DNR makes statements. The fact is many don't know, or they send questionaires to other states with badly worded questions. This was the case when a researcher did a study on the states that allow year-round training. Many respondants thought the question was only in regard to state owned lands and didn't include private property.

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Larry Atherton

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I tryed that Larry and got in over my head on the first step.

As I've always understood our right to retrieve law it was only about us recovering our dogs from private land. No guns, no game taken, just get your dog and get out of where your not supposed to be. Seems like the solution to the problem, get'em and get out so things get back to normal.

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Originally posted by Brian France
Mr. Nethery, No you can't just go get your dog if the land owner says NO. You are supposed to contact the authorities and have them help in the recovery of your hound, yeah right! I'm sitting here reading what the law states in the New York regulation guide and it all sounds to me like nobody wants to give a direct answer. It says to get permission of landowners in the area you plan to hunt. #2 A hunter may not go on posted property, even to retrieve a dog, without landowner permission. #3 while it is lawful for a dog to pursue game on land that may be posted, it is not lawful for a hunter to knowingly release a dog on posted land. The rest is just a bunch of mumble jumble about being a good steward of the land etc. It all sounds pretty stupid to me but I was told by the state police ( as they were giving me a ticket ) that you have to contact them or a game warden to retrieve your dog from private property. My hounds were released on land that I had permission to hunt on, they came treed on land that was posted. Myself and two friends crossed the property line by a couple hundred yards and before getting to the tree were shot at I ended up in a heated argument with the shooter who held a loaded 357 pointed at my head the whole time ( with the hammer cocked ) To make a long story shorter, He was arrested for some little charge and I was arrested for trespassing. My charge was dropped because nobody could prove where we were physically at, which- come to find out we weren't on his land. He had his hand guns taken and had to pay a $300 fine. He got his hand guns returned and kept his job as a town cop. He is also a retired county sheriff deputy ( forced to retire for sexual misconduct ) The law dogs always take care of one another! We as sportsmen need to become as tight as the law dogs so we can avoid situations like I was in.

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recent experience

Recently I hunted a property with a friend where I had permission. Treed two dens no problem, I should have moved then, but turned him in headed back towards the truck. Buddy treed again way to the east. We quickly located the coon and headed back, knowing I was off the property where I had permission. A pickup came flying back to the woods and two guys jumped out. I hollered our location and shined my light. The property owner was quite angry letting me know his property was off limits. I explained we were just retrieving the dog and where we had permission. He said explain that to his son! Who was just arriving. Long story short, he explained to his neighbor that his Dad had in fact given me permission. Hopefully explaining that we had left the coon and had the right to retrieve the dog was diplomatic enough to shed a good light on our sport.

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Law or not I will not take a gun onto private land at night in a place I dont have permission to be. That $2.00 coon hide is not worth it to me.

countrymile- no sir must be a different Brian.

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france

Arkansas has them as far as i know you dont have to get anyone to help

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Ryan Crow

lousiana just passed it, this year. A game warden i was talking to from louisiana said that if you ask and they say no, then you cant get them. but if you dont ask, you can go get them. once you are told you dont have permission, then you dont have it anymore. That is for any domestic animal. wether it be a chicken, dog, cow, or goat. if it is domesticated go get it.

that is how he stated it.

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1 nt i was hutn and dogs got on property i had no clue who owned it an they were treed if my dogs r treed i go get them regardles this guy starts screamingg at me next he shot 3 times so it was my turn i told hhim if u shoot one more time yr gona b sorry i told him i will stick that barrel up his a hole and i will pull the trigger so he holers back he will call the law nobody ever showed up a lot of people r just plain stupid an r not as seruose 1 other nt my dog treed rt behind a deer pen an i didn no deer pen was thr this guy came out and gave me all kinds of threads so i jst started talkn 2 him all said an done he held my spot light 4 me 2 shoot the coon out wt a choke this is true _>good luck <if i catch any body shooting my dog 4 no good reason thrs gona b trouble an i wont call the law i want him myself

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Originally posted by AndyMiller
1 nt i was hutn and dogs got on property i had no clue who owned it an they were treed if my dogs r treed i go get them regardles this guy starts screamingg at me next he shot 3 times so it was my turn i told hhim if u shoot one more time yr gona b sorry i told him i will stick that barrel up his a hole and i will pull the trigger so he holers back he will call the law nobody ever showed up a lot of people r just plain stupid an r not as seruose 1 other nt my dog treed rt behind a deer pen an i didn no deer pen was thr this guy came out and gave me all kinds of threads so i jst started talkn 2 him all said an done he held my spot light 4 me 2 shoot the coon out wt a choke this is true _>good luck <if i catch any body shooting my dog 4 no good reason thrs gona b trouble an i wont call the law i want him myself

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Dale,

Here ya go ... I cut and pasted it this time.

NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION ACT (EXCERPT)
Act 451 of 1994


324.73102 Entering or remaining on property of another; consent; exceptions.

Sec. 73102.

(1) Except as provided in subsection (4), a person shall not enter or remain upon the property of another person, other than farm property or a wooded area connected to farm property, to engage in any recreational activity or trapping on that property without the consent of the owner or his or her lessee or agent, if either of the following circumstances exists:

(a) The property is fenced or enclosed and is maintained in such a manner as to exclude intruders.

(b) The property is posted in a conspicuous manner against entry. The minimum letter height on the posting signs shall be 1 inch. Each posting sign shall be not less than 50 square inches, and the signs shall be spaced to enable a person to observe not less than 1 sign at any point of entry upon the property.

(2) Except as provided in subsection (4), a person shall not enter or remain upon farm property or a wooded area connected to farm property for any recreational activity or trapping without the consent of the owner or his or her lessee or agent, whether or not the farm property or wooded area connected to farm property is fenced, enclosed, or posted.

(3) On fenced or posted property or farm property, a fisherman wading or floating a navigable public stream may, without written or oral consent, enter upon property within the clearly defined banks of the stream or, without damaging farm products, walk a route as closely proximate to the clearly defined bank as possible when necessary to avoid a natural or artificial hazard or obstruction, including, but not limited to, a dam, deep hole, or a fence or other exercise of ownership by the riparian owner.

(4) A person other than a person possessing a firearm may, unless previously prohibited in writing or orally by the property owner or his or her lessee or agent, enter on foot upon the property of another person for the sole purpose of retrieving a hunting dog. The person shall not remain on the property beyond the reasonable time necessary to retrieve the dog. In an action under section 73109 or 73110, the burden of showing that the property owner or his or her lessee or agent previously prohibited entry under this subsection is on the plaintiff or prosecuting attorney, respectively.

Section 4 is the section of interest.

Travis,

You can not take a gun on private property where you do not have permission.

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