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feeder buckets y/n

just wondering what everyones thought on feeder bucket's are . i have 4 bucket's out my -self for young dog's and pups only . i do guide competition hunts on them when iam asked to guide . i would like to see a ban in the night hunts by ukc on buckets personally , kinda tired of seeing titled bucket dog's , but around here if you dont have bucket's then you will not win in the hunts , so i'd like to hear alittle input , thanks

I expect the guide to put the cast where coons can be treed. I'm not there to donate my entry fee hunting somewhere there isn't any coons. If it takes feeder buckets to accomplish that then so be it. JMO

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hi

i guide every time i go to a hunt around here and i guide to a feeder but i do not hunt them unless im in a compitition

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good input

i agree with not donating your money when going to a hunt . i dont hate feeder's - dont get me wrong , i hate dog's that go in andgrab the feeder tree . my feeders are staked out off walking paths mostly in bottom of hollers next to creeks . so when we turn loose the coon has no choice but to run . we can generally score at least two coons in a night hunt and have scored off all 4 of my buckets before . i do own titled dog's , and i've won on buckets and won in the middle of winter also , but if there were no feeder's allowed in night hunts , then i think would see the better hound win the cast .

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I thinks its kinda sad this is even something hunters this would admit to using. If you have to use buckets to win a hunt or tree a coon why would you go to a hunt in the first place, and if your reply is well he/she can do it without a bucket then why not do that to begin with. I just dont understand alot of people that claim to be good hunters and educators of the sport yet they guide to buckets. Its one thing if your dropped there you cut loose by all means, I just dont understand people. My lab can tree a hot coon


Mike Poe

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Well, hunt as you like and I'll hunt as I like. I tree coons in the swamps that aren't on feeders when I hunt alone, but when I take kids, I like to hit feeders so that we won't be out too late or end up walking 3/4 of a mile through swamps and briars. You take a kid through a mile of briars and I don't think they would enjoy it for long. Basically, there is no difference as far as feeders go except not having to walk as far.

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Originally posted by Jake poe
I thinks its kinda sad this is even something hunters this would admit to using. If you have to use buckets to win a hunt or tree a coon why would you go to a hunt in the first place, and if your reply is well he/she can do it without a bucket then why not do that to begin with. I just dont understand alot of people that claim to be good hunters and educators of the sport yet they guide to buckets. Its one thing if your dropped there you cut loose by all means, I just dont understand people. My lab can tree a hot coon


Mike Poe

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i think by only rewarding the high scoring dog you promote the bucket hunting i would like to see them reward cast winners. i have won between 13-15 ntch cast and only have 4 wins to grand and have had good scores. i personally don't hunt over buckets but sure would mind being guided to them at some of the bigger hunts jmo at he bigger hunts i would like to see them take the four high scoring dogs of each night and have them hunt it off and then have a winner from friday and saturday night

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yeah well everyone dont live in Indiana either. I know where I live if you see three coons your doing pretty good.

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I personally don't think its right to comp. hunt off feeders... That's promoting the papers of a dog.. Cause there will be a post on here advertising pups, all grand line bred blaw, blaw, blaw.. And what you have is a dog that has ran a hot coon up a tree every weekend. And has no idea what the hell to do when you drop him in the woods by him self and say find a coon. A coon dog should hit the creeks and not look back until it is looking up.. Not run out 50-yrds. And strike and tree.. Ga Dawg, I have a 8-month old Feist squirrel dog I know can tree you a coon off a feeder, and I have never coon hunted him....

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Originally posted by Jake poe
I thinks its kinda sad this is even something hunters this would admit to using. If you have to use buckets to win a hunt or tree a coon why would you go to a hunt in the first place, and if your reply is well he/she can do it without a bucket then why not do that to begin with. I just dont understand alot of people that claim to be good hunters and educators of the sport yet they guide to buckets. Its one thing if your dropped there you cut loose by all means, I just dont understand people. My lab can tree a hot coon


Mike Poe

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good stuff

keep it coming

We hunt a couple drops on feeders and a couple off. Around here coons are thin and alot of BAD swamps.We use feeders in the thicker and smaller areas. Some place are'nt big enough to let a dog go 1-2 miles to tree a coon. Feeders are different in different areas, you can hunt 5-6 feeders in a night around here and sometimes do good to tree 1-2. If you hunted feeders right they dont hurt anything. If they get to where they want to check the feeder and come back I will give them the boot and make them go on to find a coon so that they wont get lazy. As far as the big hunts like the Winters Classic I like the idea of having a final4 cast to give each one an equal chance. But until then it's the luck of the draw and it will be won off of feeders.

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I personally don't think its right to comp. hunt off feeders... That's promoting the papers of a dog.. Cause there will be a post on here advertising pups, all grand line bred blaw, blaw, blaw.. And what you have is a dog that has ran a hot coon up a tree every weekend. And has no idea what the hell to do when you drop him in the woods by him self and say find a coon. A coon dog should hit the creeks and not look back until it is looking up.. Not run out 50-yrds. And strike and tree.. Ga Dawg, I have a 8-month old Feist squirrel dog I know can tree you a coon off a feeder, and I have never coon hunted him....

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And we wonder why we have the following

Auto strike dogs.
No real track power.
Tree happy fools.
And lots, and lots, and lots of Grand Nite Champions.

If there are coons in the woods that can come to a feeder, then there are coons in the woods that a real coon dog can tree.I know that there will be those that say this or that but a coondog is just that no matter the conditions.

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Originally posted by intellectualist
You do not understand people because you are not thinking outside of the box or are very narrow minded!
Where I live, you better have a few buckets or you could easily come in with 0 points regardless of whose dog you are hunting!
If a person guides to a bucket why does that disqualify them from being a good hunter or educator of the sport? Who made you the moral monitor on this subject? Get out of those thick coons for a season or two and you will have a complete different outlook!
If there were no people around here feeding coons on buckets year around the population would probably be 60-70% less than what it is now!
I know this one place I hunted as a kid you might tree one coon every 15-20 hunts in that area. Now that I have been feeding there for 8-10 years, you may see 2 a night on average and that does not include treeing right directly on the feeder!
That is a far better average than you would have ever achieved prior to putting in feeder buckets!
These coons in this area have been run so hard so many times that they high tail it as soon as they hear gravel under the tire so it is not like they are just pop ups. More often than not you are walking a mile to get to the dogs!

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IMO hunting a feeder is no different than hunting a corn field or any other area where coon are concentrated. that is the idea hunt where they are. if you dont want to do that turn loose in a desert.

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Originally posted by Jake poe
You Sound like the guys who sit around after the hunt is over and make up excuses on why their dog got beat. Yes your right i dont think outside the box, there is alittle to many people that think outside the box it shows with the world we live in today and with your comments above it shows you contribute to that classification, Congrats on your bucket dog, man i bet your proud of all your hard work

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intellectualist

walkers? huh Figured that by your post above

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Originally posted by grasspicker
And we wonder why we have the following

Auto strike dogs.
No real track power.
Tree happy fools.
And lots, and lots, and lots of Grand Nite Champions.

If there are coons in the woods that can come to a feeder, then there are coons in the woods that a real coon dog can tree.I know that there will be those that say this or that but a coondog is just that no matter the conditions.

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Originally posted by Jake poe
walkers? huh Figured that by your post above

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What I think it boils down to is anything can be abused.. We have PLENTY of coons here in Oklahoma, and I mean PLENTY.. If I went out and set feeders for one week, I could have a half dozen coon sitting on the feeders an hour after dark... GUARANTEED.. OK, Say you feeder guys are leaving out and my cast is still sitting and drinking coffee in no hurry to leave.. We get back after the hunt and we have the highest 4- scoring dogs in the hunt.. And I mean HIGH SCORES lowest one 400... Is that fair ? Cause I can Guarantee you, a dog will strike and tree a coon every feeder.. And could probably score the tree and send them another direction and get another tree within 100 yrds.. Is this fair ?? I'll use feeders to train pups that don't know how to get out at 6-8 months old to hunt a coon !!! I don't under stand why someone would want to limit there dog to puppy standards...

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Originally posted by 1okiesawyers
What I think it boils down to is anything can be abused.. We have PLENTY of coons here in Oklahoma, and I mean PLENTY.. If I went out and set feeders for one week, I could have a half dozen coon sitting on the feeders an hour after dark... GUARANTEED.. OK, Say you feeder guys are leaving out and my cast is still sitting and drinking coffee in no hurry to leave.. We get back after the hunt and we have the highest 4- scoring dogs in the hunt.. And I mean HIGH SCORES lowest one 400... Is that fair ? Cause I can Guarantee you, a dog will strike and tree a coon every feeder.. And could probably score the tree and send them another direction and get another tree within 100 yrds.. Is this fair ?? I'll use feeders to train pups that don't know how to get out at 6-8 months old to hunt a coon !!! I don't under stand why someone would want to limit there dog to puppy standards...

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The debate on if it is fair in nite hunts to hunt on feeder buckets seems to never end, but how about looking at it differently. People will argue about it being the only way to see coon or it not being fair to the cast that doesnt, but what about the legality of it?
I dont know about other states but in VA it is illegal to "chase or hunt with dogs any wild animal from a baited site and unlawful to place, distribute, or maintain bait for any wild animal for the purpose of chasing with dogs". So looking at it from that standpoint would it be fair that the dog or handler breaking the law by hunting over buckets beats out another Nitech cast that isnt doing so?