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Posted by davidlloyd on 12-12-2009 07:43 PM:

coon movement under 30 degress?

i heard most coon den up when temps plunder under 30 degrees ive treed them in 0 degree temps but movement isnt as good and tree alot of dens on cold cold nights also deep snow affecting movement? any input would be much helpful thanks -side note 14 coon went 40 dollars avg 3.50 for 10 2x and 3x's

Posted by Wheat Light on 12-12-2009 07:54 PM:

Just depends on where you live. If you're in Minnesota the coons probably aren't bothered by 30 degree temps too bad since most of the winter is well below that. If you live in Alabama or Georgia, the coons might be more willing to just hole up for a night or two until the weather gets a little warmer. It's all about where you're at in my opinion. Kind of like snow- if you get a lot of snow, coons probably aren't bothered by it, if you get very, very little snow, they will hole up for a night or two until the snow melts.

Posted by Jim Hill on 12-12-2009 08:22 PM:

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Originally posted by Wheat Light
Just depends on where you live. If you're in Minnesota the coons probably aren't bothered by 30 degree temps too bad since most of the winter is well below that. If you live in Alabama or Georgia, the coons might be more willing to just hole up for a night or two until the weather gets a little warmer. It's all about where you're at in my opinion. Kind of like snow- if you get a lot of snow, coons probably aren't bothered by it, if you get very, very little snow, they will hole up for a night or two until the snow melts.

your right here in minnesota 30 is a heat wave

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Posted by Wayne Valentino on 12-12-2009 08:48 PM:

Yep

depends on location if coon will lay up in the cold. Snow will make em lay up in some areas, some areas they could care less about snow..

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Posted by Dan Dogs on 12-12-2009 09:08 PM:

we have a warm up tonight, it will be up in the low 20's.. according to the entries in our coon contest, the coon will be moving better than the hunters..lol the deep snow tends to slow down hunter movement as well!!!

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Posted by beagler65 on 12-12-2009 10:12 PM:

I hunted last night at 18 degrees and had coons all night

Posted by turman on 12-13-2009 12:54 AM:

I find that the cold doesn`t slow them down anything like 15" of soft powder snow! When we get a dump of soft snow they seem to lay-up until it firms up.

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Posted by Adam Reynolds on 12-13-2009 02:34 AM:

I think it depends the most on where you are. 30 below is cold here but up north the norm. It was in the 20's here last night and we tree'd coons.

Posted by SCBluetickGal on 12-13-2009 02:52 AM:

It was frigid here (for SC anyway!) last night, and we still made 2 trees with the meat. I believe the temperature was right at 30 degrees, know the low was supposed to be 28. I can tell you this...it was cold enough that when I caught my dog her Garmin collar had iced over. That's cold here!

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Posted by Hamp Gillis on 12-13-2009 05:21 AM:

I know down here in South Georgia, it don't get below 30 much but one night it hit 17 degrees and let me tell ya thats cold to us, me and one of my buddy's went to a WMA and i we treed 2 that night, and then we couldn't hardly stand it anymore so we went home lol. So i really don't think it effects the coon movement that much, but it don't get that cold that often.

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Posted by kjlayman1015 on 12-13-2009 01:25 PM:

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Back home if it got below about 15 degrees I found they won't move. On the other hand they might have been moving, I was just too weak to go chase 'em.

Posted by NHBLUDOG on 12-13-2009 01:31 PM:

Hear in NH back when i was coon hunting hard it seemed that if it was above 20 you could tree a coon colder than that I did not have much luck .John

Posted by Oak Ridge on 12-13-2009 02:09 PM:

I can't prove it scientifically, but I truly believe that there are sub-species of coon in different parts of the country.

I've hunted in Mississippi and the coon are tiny even when full grown compared to the coon in the northern parts of the country.

Coon in the north spend a great deal of time "preparing" for winter. They eat lots of grain and berries all summer long in preparation for a long hard winter. They are cousins to the bear, and do in fact have periods of semi-hibernation in the winter.

Winter, spring, summer, and fall, the coon in the northern regions don't have to work as hard for food and/or water. They don't have to travel as far to take care of their needs. Southern coon, while an overall smaller population, tend to feed and "stir" nearly every night, while norther coon build a huge layer of fat to carry them over the winter. There is really no need for them to "stir" nightly, especially when sudden weather changes make it uncomfortable.

30 degrees in late September is different to a coon than 30 degrees in mid January in your part of the country.

The one thing that upsets this balance is the rut. Coon will move regardless of the temperature, moon, or just about anything else during this period. This is approaching in our area fast...

There are several things that affect all animals movement...temperature being only one of them.

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Posted by on 12-13-2009 02:49 PM:

"BERGMAN'S RULE"

I'm wonderin just how many go turn loose & find out if their movin or not on cool night's? Sometime's I tend to think it's not the coon that are not movin but the hunter's.

The reason for squirrel sized coon in the south & small bear cub's up 'nort is defined in "Bergman's Rule". Same reason there are lil deer south that when mature are the size of our fawn's the first winter & bigger yet on into the northern reach's of their range.

Body mass is dictated by the requirement's Ma Nature put's on them to survive the climate in a givin region.

We have treed a pile of coon in below zero weather every year but there are a lot of them night's when I gotta wonder if we are the only one's huntin in the entire state?

Posted by 1deadeye on 12-13-2009 02:57 PM:

Re: "BERGMAN'S RULE"

quote:
Originally posted by Two toes
We have treed a pile of coon in below zero weather every year but there are a lot of them night's when I gotta wonder if we are the only one's huntin in the entire state?

You're not. There's two of us foolish ones out.

Went out last night. Den on the first drop, second drop the freezing rain rolled in. Called it a night.
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Posted by on 12-13-2009 03:09 PM:

We made two den's,treed three coon & caught our traditional one on the ground by 8:30. To think that was just huntin a Bludawg alone & we never got a good start till 7ish!!

I'll think of ya deadeye on them night's when your breath freeze's before you even exhale....LOL!! One thing for sure,the trap's are pulled, traffic is minimal & you won't hear other hound's. Then again I heard one hound last year a zingin thru the country & we had a pair come into our's one night this fall.

Don't know how much longer I can put up with all that pressure ?

Posted by sidneyjames on 12-13-2009 03:27 PM:

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we treed two den trees friday night.been raining ever sense.havent seen any snow in YEARSSSSSSSSSSSSS.just dont happen in south alabama.but i will tell yall about blowed down woods.when hurrican ivan come it REALLY messed our woods up.get ready for lots and lots of crawling.just to get a COON....lmao yall have a good en and come on down lets tree a coon..........

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 12-13-2009 06:09 PM:

Here in Michigan last nite(SATURDAY) we didn't get started until after 10:30 pm turned them loose until about 2:30 am (SUNDAY) mourning.

We treed 3 singles/ 2 dens/ 1 unproductive drop(dogs came back). Not sure what the temp. was at but it was freezing rain/snow mix off and on most of the nite. I'm guessing 30*-32*.

Invited a bubby from down/south to come up but he claimed unfit contitions.
The conditions were not fit to be out but.......You just got to love it to do it rain/snow or otherwise.

Originally posted by Two toes
We have treed a pile of coon in below zero weather every year but there are a lot of them night's when I gotta wonder if we are the only one's huntin in the entire state?

Two toes/1deadeye

A couple states over there's another one wondering the same thing "are we the only ones out tonite"?
Sure did feel/sound like it.

Posted by Wild_BlueMan on 12-13-2009 06:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Oak Ridge
I can't prove it scientifically, but I truly believe that there are sub-species of coon in different parts of the country.

I've hunted in Mississippi and the coon are tiny even when full grown compared to the coon in the northern parts of the country.

Coon in the north spend a great deal of time "preparing" for winter. They eat lots of grain and berries all summer long in preparation for a long hard winter. They are cousins to the bear, and do in fact have periods of semi-hibernation in the winter.

Winter, spring, summer, and fall, the coon in the northern regions don't have to work as hard for food and/or water. They don't have to travel as far to take care of their needs. Southern coon, while an overall smaller population, tend to feed and "stir" nearly every night, while norther coon build a huge layer of fat to carry them over the winter. There is really no need for them to "stir" nightly, especially when sudden weather changes make it uncomfortable.

30 degrees in late September is different to a coon than 30 degrees in mid January in your part of the country.

The one thing that upsets this balance is the rut. Coon will move regardless of the temperature, moon, or just about anything else during this period. This is approaching in our area fast...

There are several things that affect all animals movement...temperature being only one of them.

As two toes stated, Bergemans rule is responsible for the northern coon being larger. It states that mammalian species in colder climates tend to have larger bodies to help conserve body heat in the winter. The effect is a smaller volume to surface area ratio. Northern mammals eat more but have less energy consumption. Also our hides are thicker due to the brutal weather.

The sub-species thought is somewhat correct. Like you said, the size seems to be the only distinguishing characteristic. Genetically they are all the same in North America. Only sub-species are those on Carribean islands.

The bear thought is only due to the first taxanomic analysis. In 1758 it classified as Ursus lotor because of similarities to the Black bear, and Griz (Ursus americanus and Ursus arctos). Later, it was later classified in the family Procyonidae. Raccoons are the only members of this family in North America.

True hibernation is not done by raccoons or bears even. Bears its a torpor, similar to bats. Body temp goes down, but not as much as true hibernation. Raccoons body temperature actually rises when they den up. Mostly in winter they den in old barns or under brush, but they do have to eat and drink. So there is movement, just not very far.

After all my reasearch, and own limited experience it seems like if the temp is below 15 the movement ceases. If its cold for 4 days and warms up, you can tree lots. This is during the middle of winter. Rut starts up here around the middle of February, during that time everything changes. Hope some of this helps.

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Posted by Coontail on 12-13-2009 06:42 PM:

Maybe that explains why all of us people with more body fat live up north lol

Posted by scott shaw on 12-13-2009 08:00 PM:

Years ago I hunted at least twice a week all winter one year and I treed coons every week but the last two weeks of December. This was
a very mild winter for WI. though. Every night I went it was pretty
close to 30 degrees and very little snow. Temperatures never
seemed to make alot of difference if there wasn't any snow. Most
of our Winters once it gets cold with a few inches of snow they
are done until the rut or we get a good warm up for a few days.
You might find one once in a while in a big swamp but it just doesn't pay because most likely your dogs going to be covering
alot of ground and will be dead on the road around here. If we
get a good thaw were they might come out I go check an area
with den trees and look for tracks to make sure they are coming
out before I'll turn a dog loose.

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Posted by juross on 12-13-2009 09:32 PM:

we treed 8 last night in central ohio and was done at 11 30

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Posted by GA DAWG on 12-13-2009 10:16 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Hamp Gillis
I know down here in South Georgia, it don't get below 30 much but one night it hit 17 degrees and let me tell ya thats cold to us, me and one of my buddy's went to a WMA and i we treed 2 that night, and then we couldn't hardly stand it anymore so we went home lol. So i really don't think it effects the coon movement that much, but it don't get that cold that often.

We treed one 1 night and it was 14 with the wind blowing..Ones all we treed cause we were not as tough as we thought we were lol......

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Posted by on 12-13-2009 11:40 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Wild_BlueMan
After all my reasearch, and own limited experience it seems like if the temp is below 15 the movement ceases. If its cold for 4 days and warms up, you can tree lots. This is during the middle of winter. Rut starts up here around the middle of February, during that time everything changes. Hope some of this helps.

I promise you coon move when it's below 15. Been a quite a few the last couple winter's that wish we wouldn'ta been out there to find out. Before they start doin the nasty time frame.

One night it was 0 when we turned loose & -8 when we quit at 3:00 in the mornin. Even we thought we was crazy...LOL!! Snow was deep as well. Treed 5 on the outside & a few den's.

Dogwhisper, I hear that

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Posted by josh on 12-14-2009 02:34 AM:

No doubt coon can be treed in any temp.

It is 10 here right now, its possible to tree a coon, but more luck if you do than anything...with fresh snow and these temp at this time of year, they just dont move.

I dont like spending all night looking for dogs that are 3 miles away because that how far they have to go to find a coon, been there done that.

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