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How would you score this

Two dogs treed, one still struck in. Scored the dogs on the tree and turned them loose on the struck dog. Struck dog called treed. Both dogs turned loose struck in. Tree is closed. We head for the tree one of the dogs joins the tree after it was closed. The tree is very slick and only 14 minutes of the hunt left.

How would the dog struck in but not treed be scored on that tree?

I was told by one MOH that the strike points should have been deleted and the dog would take next minus tree points.

What did happen was one seasoned hunter said it should be scored with minus strike points. But the judge (who handled the dog in question) said the strike points were deleted only.

The reason I'm asking is because I'm relativly new to UKC hunts. And both the other two were seasoned hunters and knew each other. If I was wronged and should not have been I could have won the sectional hunt, come to find out after we got back to the club house. And I need to know how this should be scored when I run into it in the future.

Can someone else confirm how this should be scored?

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no strike points plus or minus if shut out on the tree..next available tree points minused for slick tree. was the dog treed before the other two dogs got struck? if the other dogs get struck before the other dog treed, then the dog coming into the closed tree before cast arrives would get minused on strike also.

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Scott, assuming the dog in question was shut out on strike and at the tree treeing when the judge arrived then he would receive next available tree points and minused. Strike points are deleted whenever a dog is shut out on strike.

Was the guys dog declared treed on the closed tree? I thought they could have recieve minus if the tree was plussed?

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4k any dog declared tree after 5 min call will be accepted as
split tree.strike pts in accordance with 4d

4g dogs treeing but not decalred tree when judge arrives
will be - on off game or slick tree

He said the dog was declared struck but not treed!

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why would you tree it?

You added second part after I posted. I guess I need to re read the rules, I was under the assumption that only way you could take minus on a tree if not treed was if the tree was plussed.

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Scott, assuming the dog in question was shut out on strike and at the tree treeing when the judge arrived then he would receive next available tree points and minused. Strike points are deleted whenever a dog is shut out on strike.

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it is all in 4g if slick and not treed.
if he is treed 4k

The way I read the question is this. Dog A and B were treed and C was still on track. A and B tree scored and they are recast to C. C is declared treed and then A and B are struck back in. After C tree is closed either dog A or B covers dog C before judge gets to tree. If this is the case the strike points would be deleted because it was shut out, and since tree was slick it would get next available tree position and minused. If it was not shut out it would get minus strike and next available tree position minused.

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Brian Teague 252-649-3050

nccoonhunter

C is declared treed and then A and B are struck back in. After C tree is closed either dog A or B covers dog C before judge gets to tree.

You read it right... just as it happened.

Thanks for the input to clear it up.

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Originally posted by blueticking: it
3 d shut out on strike. totaly a differnt ? dawg

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Originally posted by GA DAWG
So what is the answer? If its not shut out and found on a slick tree and not treed? It didnt say in this question the dogs were shutout..

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the answer pm allen and buy a rule book or pick up a
score card.

Just remember the dog must be AT THE TREE AND TREEING BEFORE THE JUDGE ARRIVES before you can assign him tree points, AND the other dogs there must get minus points.

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a rule of thumb is if you can't plus the points you also can't minuse them eather.so the strike pionts can't be minused

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Originally posted by blueticking: it
the answer pm allen and buy a rule book or pick up a
score card.

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I think one thing that gets people mixed up is this. If a dog is not declared treed but on the closed tree when judge gets there, a coon is found it only gets minus strike points and no next available tree position. If it is a slick or off game that is where the next available tree comes in.

Example 1. DogsA,B, and C are struck in that order. Dog A is called treed. Time is up on tree. Judge gets there and Dog B is also on the tree but not declared treed. Coon is seen Dog A gets 225+ and dog B gets 75-.

Example 2. DogsA,B, and C are struck in that order. Dog A is called treed. Time is up on tree. Judge gets there and Dog B is also on the tree but not declared treed. Tree is slick. Dog A gets 225- and dog B gets minus strike and minus next available tree position, which gives dog B 150-.

In my opinion the rule should be the same for any dog found to be treeing on a closed tree when judge gets there. Shouldn't matter if it has a coon in it, slick, or has off game. They should get next available tree position and scored that way. One uniform rule for this situation. If dog is found on closed tree but not declared treed when judge arrives will be awarded next available tree position and scored as follows. If coon, off game, or slick dog will receive minus strike points and minus next available tree position. If tree is a circle tree, all points will be circled for all dogs on that tree.

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Originally posted by nccoonhunter197
I think one thing that gets people mixed up is this. If a dog is not declared treed but on the closed tree when judge gets there, a coon is found it only gets minus strike points and no next available tree position. If it is a slick or off game that is where the next available tree comes in.



In my opinion the rule should be the same for any dog found to be treeing on a closed tree when judge gets there. Shouldn't matter if it has a coon in it, slick, or has off game. They should get next available tree position and scored that way. One uniform rule for this situation. If dog is found on closed tree but not declared treed when judge arrives will be awarded next available tree position and scored as follows. If coon, off game, or slick dog will receive minus strike points and minus next available tree position. If tree is a circle tree, all points will be circled for all dogs on that tree.

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