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Males VS Females

I would like to hear other peoples oppinions on male dogs versus female dogs.

Do you think that a litter has the better chance of turning out because of the female or the male?

For instance take a brood female that has never treed her own coon and cross her with a top stud dog of today. What chance does the litter have of turning out?

Or take a very good female and breed her to a male dog that has never treed a coon in his life or has but isn't very good?

I think if you breed to a good solid female you are uping youre chance of producing coon dogs 38%. I think the female has more to do with the outcome of the liter. I think guys need to quit breeding to these "BROOD" females. What's the difference in breeding a Super nice male to a brood female as opposed to breeding a super nice female to a junk male?

i do believe the female is a very big percentage of it. but i'm sure the male helps alot,and alot of it is in those dogs behind them. ...jmo

50%

IMO
I belive its a 50/50 deal thats why My kennel is almost all Females if I can make anything out of the females Ill spend the money to a stud that has what I want to put into my dogs
I think there is always a better chance to get coon dogs that way
But Ive seen good dogs come out of nothing

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Well

I'm NO EXSPERT,but in one's opinion I would say 40/40 on male and female,and 20% in chance.

Hunting all types of hounds in past years and making crosses with those hounds some super hounds of both genders,the litters go like those that make great hounds are ones that go to people that help and hunt them giving opportunity to them to develop the traits that are passed on ,some start early some don't,some excel,some go the other way,but breeding a good female to a good male makes me feel better about my chances.

I have seen some nice hounds come from males and females that never been hunted but was kept because of what earlier ancestors had did.SO,allot must come from desired traits from past hounds,then those are bred to keep the traits on,and on and on.

We bred a grntch grch male to a female who had been past around,but she had more tree in here than the male who had been bred for strong track ability,we got pups that are strong track and strong tree.And they check the tree and try to be honest about it. But I wanted her and bought her to breed to because of who was in her back ground,and she poses the ability right by her self to get the job done,after working her to bring it out right at 3 years old.No one wanted to work her they wanted a already made from the wound grntch.So when she wasn't giving them what they wanted at a year old she went to some one else,when they didn't get what they wanted at a year and a half she was past on.For the money I Got it back and more with the two pups I kept.And a pretty good brood female to hunt on top.

I've always thought it was dumb to only rely on the "top" male for producing good pups by using a "brood" female. I think if anything the female has more to do with it...I also think it's funny when people say a female throws a lot of males or females because the female actually has nothing to do with the pups gender, it's whether the male's sperm is a Y or X. OR when people say their stud produces large litters, when the amount of eggs the female ovulates is what matters. Unless the male produces less sperm than there is eggs which is highly unlikely. I don't agree with the people that purposely breed pups that are "grade". Breed because you are trying to better the breed, not just because you can.

I think people that don't know what they're doing shouldn't be breeding their dogs...

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i'm sure i'm way off.


here it goes both parents contribute traits to some point, but i believe one parent is dominant at passing trait over the other. which in case the dominant parent will produce it's likeness to a majority of the pups.

2 dogs bred

male dominant reproducer
female not as dominant over male

7 pups born

4 of the pups share the traits of the sire(a high %)
2 of the pups share the females traits(a high % )
1 pup shares a equal share of both parents


this 1 pup if gets the best of what both parents have to offer end up being the freaks or truly outstanding hounds we hear about.


i also believe this is why linebreeding works so well, because dog show similar ancestors and traits it doesn't matter which is dominant over the other, because the traits being so similar chances are greater to maintain similar likeness regardless of which parent the pups favor of. you get a more uniformed litter and lower the chance of one of the pups to well exceed sire or dam.


this dominant over another can be positive and negative i will give a postive and a negative example using gand nite champion dogs( this is a make believe example but i'm sure it has happenend)


gr.nt.ch. sire #1 bred to gr.nt.ch. female #1, 7 pups in the litter the litter has a majority of the pups being culls 4 in fact, with 2 being avg, and 1 being above avg. in this case gr.nt.ch. female #1 was the overpowering dog in the breeding.


now gr.nt.ch. female#1 bred to gr.nt.ch.male #2, 7 pups in this litter also. majority of litter turns out, 4 pups are average, 1 is above average and 2 are culls.

even though gr.nt.ch. female #1 was dominant over gr.nt.ch. male #1, in the 2nd breeding she was not dominant over gr.nt.ch. male #2.


like i said i'm sure i'm way off. i'm not going try to explain my way of thinking this, but believe it to a high extent.


this is why when you bred 2 great dominant repducers of coondogs together you get exceptional litter(notice i said reproducers of coondogs, not 2 great coondogs)

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'Pr' Lucking's Code Red Mountain Dew ( Owned by chad porter and myself) ( Daughter of Desperado) 2 1st place wins ukc nite hunt. 1 best of show with comp , bench show.

'Pr' Lucking's Northern Red Tucker

AND THE PAST:
NT.CH.CH.LUCKING'S KN. LAKE TROOPER
NT.CH.GR.CH.LUCKING'S RAISIN KANE(son of trooper)
NT.CH.CH. LUCKING'S MAD MAGGIE(niece to tornado)
GR.CH.NT.CH.LUCKING'S RED TORNADO(son of trooper)
NT.CH.GR.CH.L&I RED HOT WYLIE(son of tornado)
'pr'lucking's northern red cowgirl (daughter of wylie)(needs just a 1st given to mark barnett)
nt.ch.gr.ch.Lucking's Midnite Desperado (son of cowgirl)(sold to bill tabler)
Nt.Ch.Ch. Desperado's Midnite 3 D(son of Desperado) (given to larry tabler)

you have to look at more then just the sire/bitch look at litter mates and same blood dogs if most of them are nice hounds then the pups have a better chance of makeing i think


a good reason to breed a brood bitch is if it comes out of a great litter with good blood were its the only cull you have have a better chance of getting more dogs like the others than you do the bitch, were as if you breed a top dog that it was the only dog to tree a coon in its whole ped. what are the chances its pups are going to be like that one good dog.

I only give the male and female 10% each of the credit/fault.
The other 80% , I give to the man putting those dogs together.

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Jordan Tyler (grandson)

BackWoods River Walkers/Beagles
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LOL, I don't think that was the intent of the original question, but I know where you are coming from. Still, LOL.

Now, to complicate matters several answers are at least partially right. Breeding dogs is not easy. There is no set method. One guy may have success doing one thing particular, and 10 others it won't work with the same results.

The trick is to try to stack the deck as much as possible in your favor. You can do that by selecting breeding stock that is from a family of consistant dogs. Then on top of that use as many of the selection tools available to breeders as possible.

Scientifically speaking, both parents contribute 50% of the genetic material. The female may contribute a fraction of 1% more due to her mitrochondria (a cell's energy plant) DNA.

The female however does contribute to a pups environmental development and can add to or subtract from a pup's genetic potential.

Yes, there are dominant reproducers out there in either sex, but they are more rare than most stud dog owners would like to admit.

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Larry Atherton

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