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Puppy Color Question....?

Would this puppy be considered blue sable? the coat color is a sable shade but with a blue nose. I was not sure if that was a color option? Or would it be listed as sable blue nose or just sable?

Nice looking puppy! I would consider that a blue fawn, sable wouldn't have the blue cast to it.
Laurie

I have a dog that was marked very similar as a puppy and he is listed as a blue fawn.
A lot of the dark blue coloring has went away with age and he is mostly blue fawn now.

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Kim

hmmm... it's tri colored.... fawn, blue and white so it would be called fawn bluie and white .... i have 2 registered as that color, and 2 chocolate ,tan, and white ..... nice pup u have

Blue fawn

It's not a tri-color. Blue fawn is one color, not two. It is not blue and fawn, it's just blue fawn. Genetically, it's when red is modified by the 'b' dilution factor - sometimes called maltese blue.
Laurie

No, he's not tricolor at all.

Thanks everyone. I was not really sure if he would be considered blue fawn or not. We have 2 blue fawns and they are not the same color at all. I just dont want to lump him with the "fawn" color if genetically he should be labeled different. I know there are other breeds with similar color listed as sable.

I know this is a long haired dog but the color is listed as "sable" and seems to have the same color pattern only with black nose & black tipped hair.



I have seen several other breeds (most long haired) with similar color labeled as sable so now I am really confused LOL

In this picture you can see a blue fawn pup next to him & they are no where near the same color.

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Originally posted by Laurie Soutar
Nice looking puppy! I would consider that a blue fawn, sable wouldn't have the blue cast to it.
Laurie

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Not sure on your sable question but he is definatley not a tri color.
A lot of times it is just called a smut ( although I don't think that is a official term). The littermate to my boy is red fawn but has black going through him similar to your boys blue shading. He is still labeled a red fawn ( he has a black nose).

I have a bitch who is blue fawn and is a totally different color than my boy. I guess there's so many variations of blue fawn. It can get confusing.

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Kim

I am starting to think many sable apbt's have been mis-identified as fawns the more I research this.....I see pictures of "sable" dogs which are actually seal colored. But from researching genetic colors, sable is a light colored dog with black tipped hairs.
Do you think as a whole the APBT owners have been mis-identifying such colors?

I don't think as a whole.

The reason I said as a "whole" is because a majority of dogs this color are reg. as Fawn, but if I am reading color genetics correctly a light coat with dark tipped hairs is Sable, correct?
I was told by several APBT owners/breeder just to reg. him as blue fawn, but had just a couple people tell me he is a Sable and after reading up on the color Sable, it states light coat with dark tipped hairs over body & face.
Russell are you able to confirm which would be correct? I dont want to just lump him in as a fawn because someone tells me this, I want to correctly reg. him under the color he genetically is.

The best website I found that explains colors is the one on the Pomeranian website. This is the site of the Sable page: http://www.americanpomeranianclub.org/colors/sable.htm

From the Pom site, this color looks like a blue sable. Check out the puppy at the bottom of the page.

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If there are always two sides to every question, how come there's only one answer?

Sable color is normally a darkish brown/ black. I guess you could register him blue sable...if that color is acceptable?

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Kim

KimJays....I have seen many pitties which are dark/black with red tint reg. as sables but if you research sable coloring it is described as light coat with dark tipped hairs and this is what is confusing me in our breed. All other breeds describe a sable coated dog as light coat dark or black tipped hairs. If you search "Sable Color Genetics" it will come up with lots of info on the color and many pics of several breeds but I have yet to see a black/reddish coat called sable except in the APBT breed.


Sandy.....yep that blue sable pom pup has the same color I think! I have seen a few other breeds this color as well which were labed as sables (not specifically blue sables).


I am not sure if blue sable or sable blue nose is an accepted color in our breed? I could reg. him as a blue fawn but after researching the Sable gene it seems that would be incorrect.

Allele Description

AY
Golden (fawn)
No black hair scattered through the coat.

aw
Sable
Black hairs scattered through the coat, and the guard hair is dark at the tip, and light at the root. The difference between the brown and gray sables is due to the C and Int series.

a
Solid black
In most breeds solid black is a dominant color.

I can appreciate you actually trying to register him as the correct color. Nothing is more fruturating than to look at a pedigree and see *brindle* or something generic. Especially if you cannot find pics of the dog.

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Kim